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Re: Permit refused, please help!

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quick additional note to remember: when you re-enter as a tourist make sure you have travel insurance. as a tourist your "on holiday" here technically whatever you may be up to, so you need a normal holiday insurance cover from your source country to cover you in case you have an accident while you are here. of course as soon as you find a job and the permit process kicks in you will go back to swiss health insurance, but if your tourist visa is for 3 months make sure you get a full 3 months Travel Insurance covering medical before you arrive.
Be careful about the terms of a travel insurance policy: "With our Annual Multi-trip Insurance you can go away for up to 60 days on each trip subject to the appropriate additional premium being paid." http://www.postoffice.co.uk/travelinsurance/annual

A friend went on holiday to Switzerland with one of their cheaper policies plus her EHIC card. It had a 30-day limit. When she was hospitalised the UK insurer asked for proof that her flight reservations were 30 days or less. (Her original plan was to stay longer; fortunately she'd curtailed the trip prior to departure for unrelated reasons.)
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L Permit: Confused

Hi all,
I was informed yesterday by a job agency I interviewed with that L permits are only available for those living outside Switzerland - i.e. you are required to leave Switzerland by 5pm every day even when you have a job seekers' L permit.
This seems daft to me but I was told this by the owner of a recruitment company - is this really the case? Just, why the need then for a L permit, when you could just job seek without it in any case?

I was under the impression that you could live in Switzerland as an EU citizen at least with a L permit (provided u are not over allowed 90 days in Switzerland).

Can anyone verify this?
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Old 23.06.2015, 17:13
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Re: L Permit: Confused

L permits are normally valid 6 months (or at least mine were), you do not have to leave the country each day. I guess somebody is mixing up the permits.
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Re: L Permit: Confused

Thank you. I found it incredible if I'm honest as it went against everything I had read and been told here, and in other sources. Baffled that he could get it so wrong. Maybe he just doesn't know the difference between EU and non-EU? Hard to know really.
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Old 23.06.2015, 18:02
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Re: L Permit: Confused

The one that needs you to be out of the country each day is the G, for Grenzganger/Frontalier, that is someone who lives in a neighbouring country.

I think it was about ten years ago the change came in, but before that if you currently lived as a national in one of those neighbouring countries (Fr/De for Basel, De for Zurich, FR for Geneva etc.) you were only able to apply for a G permit, so it may be he's getting (very) confused based on that?
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Re: L Permit: Confused

Thanks again... I unsuccessfully applied for a B licence as a dependent of my German boyfriend who has his B licence and a permanent position in Switzerland. We were turned down due to our financial position not being deemed adequate to support two as I don't work.
I have just over two weeks to find work before I've been here 3 months, would you advise me to apply for the L permit asap?
Also, do you know what documentation they will need?
And should I call the head office in Bern in advance to ask them to process it faster due to having this deadline and due to having already previously applied?
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Old 23.06.2015, 18:12
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Re: L Permit: Confused

Even a non-EU with an L permit doesn't have to leave the country. The whole point of the permits is they grant residency. Sounds as if your recruitment person is confusing an L with a G (cross border) permit. Even then a holder of a G permit only has to return to their place of abode once a week, not every day.

Perhaps you'd better tell them to look here for correct info:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...t/eu_efta.html

You can only live in Switzerland if you register with your commune/gemeinde as being resident here. There's no 90 grace period for residency. You can either be here as a tourist for up to 90 days or you would get a job seeker permit, initially for 3 months, once you register - assuming you don't yet have a job here.
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Re: L Permit: Confused

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Even a non-EU with an L permit doesn't have to leave the country. The whole point of the permits is they grant residency. Sounds as if your recruitment person is confusing an L with a G (cross border) permit. Even then a holder of a G permit only has to return to their place of abode once a week, not every day.

Perhaps you'd better tell them to look here for correct info:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...t/eu_efta.html

You can only live in Switzerland if you register with your commune/gemeinde as being resident here. There's no 90 grace period for residency. You can either be here as a tourist for up to 90 days or you would get a job seeker permit, initially for 3 months, once you register - assuming you don't yet have a job here.
I'll refer him to that link once I hear back from him about a job!

I am registered with my local gemeinde/office as living here since the first week I moved. I understand I can be resident here without giving any justification for that for a period of up to three months, after which I would require a permit. I have to apply for the L permit now, having already been turned down for the B licence. As you said in my main thread about being refused, I went about it the wrong way. I just hope that in the event that I don'T find work in next 2 weeks, I will at least have received my L permit.

Do you have any advice regarding applying for the L permit by any chance? I'm wondering whether I should make a fresh application, or apply as part of appeal on first application? I think it will probably be a fresh application.
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Re: L Permit: Confused

Yes, apply for the L asap, you don't have much time. Documents - well, the most important one is going to be your financial status, i.e. can you afford to support yourself for the next 3 months while you continue to job hunt. Valid passport, some passport sized photos for your permit if they say yes. However, if they don't think your financial status is good enough then the permit won't be granted. In which case you'll have to de-register and leave Switzerland for 3 months before you can return as a tourist again.
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Yes, apply for the L asap, you don't have much time. Documents - well, the most important one is going to be your financial status, i.e. can you afford to support yourself for the next 3 months while you continue to job hunt. Valid passport, some passport sized photos for your permit if they say yes. However, if they don't think your financial status is good enough then the permit won't be granted. In which case you'll have to de-register and leave Switzerland for 3 months before you can return as a tourist again.
Do you know how much I would need in my account to prove I have enough for 3 months? Is it 3000 a month, or would I get away with less if I live with someone else? (thus sharing rent, etc?)

Don't think I can satisfy financial requirements for L permit at all. It's find a job immediately or nothing.

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Re: L Permit: Confused

Usual figure is CHF100 a day, but how much, if any, they'd reduce that figure when you're living with someone else only your canton migration office can tell you.
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In general mods prefer to have questions related to a single topic all together in the same thread rather than clogging the forum up with loads of threads about the same thing...
Thanks, Belgianmum. I've merged OP's threads so hopefully relevant replies can be kept together.

OP - it's a tough market here right now. As you're applying for jobs, think about what you have to offer that an employer couldn't live without. Do you have special language skills or unique qualifications? What will differentiate you in the market? Focus on that. Tailor your CV and cover letter to each position as much as possible, so it doesn't look like you're applying for everything at random.

Are the two of you discussing marriage at all? Of course the permit should not be a sole reason for marriage, but if it's already in the cards then being married would certainly help in the permit department. Good luck!
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Re: Permit refused, please help!

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Thanks, Belgianmum. I've merged OP's threads so hopefully relevant replies can be kept together.

OP - it's a tough market here right now. As you're applying for jobs, think about what you have to offer that an employer couldn't live without. Do you have special language skills or unique qualifications? What will differentiate you in the market? Focus on that. Tailor your CV and cover letter to each position as much as possible, so it doesn't look like you're applying for everything at random.

Are the two of you discussing marriage at all? Of course the permit should not be a sole reason for marriage, but if it's already in the cards then being married would certainly help in the permit department. Good luck!
Hi, thanks for that tip! Yep, he has mentioned it - the initial plans involved an exotic private beach .. I would absolutely hate to have to steamroll this for the sake of a permit. I may have to if I don't find a job but I have 2 weeks to get something so I am hopeful. CV is readied in German and English.
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Re: Permit refused, please help!

I suppose another possibility is to return to your home country for a short time and keep job-hunting from there. Then just come here for regular visits. It's not fun to be separated but it's certainly survivable. My OH and I did that for almost two years USA to CH, so I'd think two European countries would be less challenging.
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I suppose another possibility is to return to your home country for a short time and keep job-hunting from there. Then just come here for regular visits. It's not fun to be separated but it's certainly survivable. My OH and I did that for almost two years USA to CH, so I'd think two European countries would be less challenging.
Well done to you guys. Another registered letter arrived in both of our names this morning, presumably an eviction style letter (have to pick it up tomorrow).

We called them this morning and they may grant an extension of a maximum of one month to continue my job search but they can't guarantee that much, even. Going to apply for that anyway. Applying for any other permit under current circumstances would be pointless, they more or less said.
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It might not be polite to ask someone about money....

.... but a frequent question asked on this forum is "how much money do we need to get a dependant permit/job seeker permit" and no one ever seems to know.

So obviously if you don't want to disclose that info that is absolutely fine. However if anyone ever had that info and feels happy to share that info, it is quite useful.
As with so many other things, it's a kantonal thang. Costs in Zürich city obviously differ a lot from those when living in the woods. Cost (income) thresholds are defined in the "kantonale Sozialhifeverordnung" (kantonal executive order on welfare aid?). There you find the threshold below which people have a claim for help. Since the foreigner is expected to pay for him/herself that's the minimum taxable net income.

According to this parliamentary Q&A, the threshold in the year 2000 for a family of five was monthly net taxable income 4900.- (i.e. after deductions). Frau Bühlmann is born in Kt.LU, still lives there, so presumably this figure then applied to Kanton Luzern. Today's executive order (§25) defines the threshold as 33k + 10k for each child, so 63k/12 = 5.250CHF monthly taxable income. That's assuming taxable net wealth is below the threshold of 33k (it seems there's no "plus 10k for each child" for the wealth).
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Re: Permit refused, please help!

We are now considering getting a loan of about 10k and putting that into my account to add to what I already have... does anyone know if they accept statements with a recent lump-sum lodgement like this to the account?
Do they ask for evidence about where the money has come from?
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We are now considering getting a loan of about 10k and putting that into my account to add to what I already have... does anyone know if they accept statements with a recent lump-sum lodgement like this to the account?
Do they ask for evidence about where the money has come from?
a) I doubt you could get one in your name as you're not a resident here so bank wouldn't loan to you. Whether they'd loan to your boyfriend without asking what he needs the money for I don't know, but if they do ask I doubt that would be a reason they'd accept. So he'd have to lie to the bank which is never a good idea.

b) yes, the migration office will be suspicious and ask questions. You don't have enough money to support yourself further and your boyfriend doesn't earn enough to support you both. You know it and they know it so of course they're going to ask.

Like it or not, you have to face the fact that unless a job comes up quickly - which sounds unlikely considering how long you've been looking - you're going to have to leave for 3 months and then come back as a tourist and continue the hunt then. You can always apply from your home county too. It's not ideal, but it's not the end of the world either.
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a) I doubt you could get one in your name as you're not a resident here so bank wouldn't loan to you. Whether they'd loan to your boyfriend without asking what he needs the money for I don't know, but if they do ask I doubt that would be a reason they'd accept. So he'd have to lie to the bank which is never a good idea.

b) yes, the migration office will be suspicious and ask questions. You don't have enough money to support yourself further and your boyfriend doesn't earn enough to support you both. You know it and they know it so of course they're going to ask.

Like it or not, you have to face the fact that unless a job comes up quickly - which sounds unlikely considering how long you've been looking - you're going to have to leave for 3 months and then come back as a tourist and continue the hunt then. You can always apply from your home county too. It's not ideal, but it's not the end of the world either.
I've been searching for a job for one week.

For sure. No, I wouldn't apply for it myself as I don't work here, it would have been my boyfriend who would have then lodged it to my account. He is against the idea for the same reason you cited though which is why I came here for a second opinion.

The reason I asked was I thought the authorities would be more interested in the fact that I have enough to live off, rather than how I came about securing that money. I can also possibly ask my dad to help as well, just don'T want to trouble him.

We called the office in question regarding the appeal and the final possible date I can be permitted to stay and they are open to flexing it out somewhat by about a week given the circumstances, so that gives me two full weeks to job search if they do grant it, otherwise I have a week and a half. A job is still possible and by no means unlikely.
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Student courses to qualify for student visa?

Hey all, I'm just wondering if anyone knows whether any courses other than university make you eligible for a student visa?
I need to get myself sorted asap so that I can stay in Switzerland. Time is ticking by and I'm getting worried. Would appreciate any help.

I've already got a master's and degree so I might be able to apply for MSc courses here but mostly those start in September. As this would be purely for visa purposes I really need to find any kind of course and I'm assuming that random language courses won't cut it
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