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Old 29.06.2015, 17:17
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Re: Student courses to qualify for student visa?

You are EU. So as you already know, you don't need to study here to get a permit, you just need to prove that you can support yourself, either via a job or savings. So in this respect, Uni course or language course it makes no difference.

As EU, being a student will make no difference to your ability to get a permit. You said in another post that you don't have the money to support yourself and get a job seekers L-permit. If this is the case then you also won't be able to prove you have the money to support yourself as a student... plus you'll need to find the fees for the course.

Leave, come back a week later as a tourist for 3 months and try and find a job.
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Leave, come back a week later as a tourist for 3 months and try and find a job.
I can't come back a week later. I would have to leave for a period of three months in order to keep things straight before I could come back which is a long time for what I am doing at the moment and would seriously disrupt my plans. I have no intention of coming back after a week and running the risk of being caught.

Hence why I am trying to get sorted with any kind of visa. I do have the money to support myself otherwise I would not be here. The issue I don't have the minimum of 3000 per month of my own yet in order to satisfy the authorities' requirements. I would have expected that student visas would be less strict in terms of how much they expect you to have.
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Old 29.06.2015, 17:49
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I would have expected that student visas would be less strict in terms of how much they expect you to have.
I'm afraid not. It's the same, about 100chf a day.
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Old 29.06.2015, 18:33
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Re: Student courses to qualify for student visa?

No, it's not actually. Students may be able to get away with the equivalent of 30 francs a day (can't find the link that mentioned that though). That's not including the tuition fees mind you. Again, it will depend on your individual circumstances AND whether or not the cantonal migration office is willing to issue a permit with that little financial security.

Did find this:

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The cost of life in Switzerland is similar to that of big European cities. In most areas of Switzerland, cost of life is cheaper than Paris or London, although some items, such as food, are on average more expensive than elsewhere in Europe. For an estimate, depending on the exact location of the stay and on the entity of personal demands, living in Switzerland entails a monthly expense comprised between CHF 1,500.- and 2,500.- (this budget calculation for students considers housing, health insurance, food, daily transportation, small daily expenses, and educational material).

http://www.studyinginswitzerland.ch/...nformation.htm

However, you do need to prove that you've been admitted to a recognised school.

"Students need to show that they have been admitted to a state-recognized institution of learning, and that they can support themselves for the duration of their studies."

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...hweiz/faq.html

Being that we've just reached the summer break anyway I doubt you're going to be able to find a school to enroll in until end August/beginning September.

Language courses would need to be for at least a year I think and again you may not find any to enroll in at this time of year. Check with your migration office if it's possible as you don't want to sign up and pay and then find the idea won't work - the money will go down the drain with nothing to show for it.
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Old 29.06.2015, 18:41
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Re: Permit refused, please help!

OP, I understand you're in quite a pickle and desperate to find a solution. However, please keep your permit questions in this one thread instead of starting a new one with each idea that pops into your head. It helps our members to know the backstory, and try to offer more relevant solutions.
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OP, I understand you're in quite a pickle and desperate to find a solution. However, please keep your permit questions in this one thread instead of starting a new one with each idea that pops into your head. It helps our members to know the backstory, and try to offer more relevant solutions.
I understand the backstory is important but I had a specific question about what courses qualify for student visas so I thought it would attract people in the know about that specifically, rather than have it missed if it is in this other thread. So I thought about where I would put the question.

Thanks for merging though, I think a lot of the same people reply and do their best.

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No, it's not actually. Students may be able to get away with the equivalent of 30 francs a day (can't find the link that mentioned that though). That's not including the tuition fees mind you. Again, it will depend on your individual circumstances AND whether or not the cantonal migration office is willing to issue a permit with that little financial security.

Did find this:

Cost of Living
The cost of life in Switzerland is similar to that of big European cities. In most areas of Switzerland, cost of life is cheaper than Paris or London, although some items, such as food, are on average more expensive than elsewhere in Europe. For an estimate, depending on the exact location of the stay and on the entity of personal demands, living in Switzerland entails a monthly expense comprised between CHF 1,500.- and 2,500.- (this budget calculation for students considers housing, health insurance, food, daily transportation, small daily expenses, and educational material).

http://www.studyinginswitzerland.ch/...nformation.htm

However, you do need to prove that you've been admitted to a recognised school.

"Students need to show that they have been admitted to a state-recognized institution of learning, and that they can support themselves for the duration of their studies."

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...hweiz/faq.html

Being that we've just reached the summer break anyway I doubt you're going to be able to find a school to enroll in until end August/beginning September.

Language courses would need to be for at least a year I think and again you may not find any to enroll in at this time of year. Check with your migration office if it's possible as you don't want to sign up and pay and then find the idea won't work - the money will go down the drain with nothing to show for it.
Thank you. I appreciate any one's help but I really need facts right now, and not guesses about things, so I really appreciate your informed advice and facts.

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Old 29.06.2015, 19:16
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Re: Permit refused, please help!

As probably advised several times by now, if you want facts, contact your local community (and the facts are also in the links provided above).
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As probably advised several times by now, if you want facts, contact your local community. Nobody here can give you a permit and I doubt that we can get you a job?
What's your problem? Where did I ask you for a permit or a job?

This is an online forum - I am free to ask whatever I like. You can just mind your own business.
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Old 29.06.2015, 19:40
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What's your problem? Where did I ask you for a permit or a job?

This is an online forum - I am free to ask whatever I like. You can just mind your own business.
Beg your pardon?

This forum is the wrong place to get facts relating to your personal situation. If you want facts and not guesses, get yourself a lawyer and pay accordingly. Pissing people off is not going to help you get the guesses which might come close to the facts you're looking for.
You can indeed ask whatever you like, but EF members (who are mostly a very helpful bunch) are exactly as free to refuse help if you get snippy.
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Beg your pardon?

This forum is the wrong place to get facts relating to your personal situation. If you want facts and not guesses, get yourself a lawyer and pay accordingly. Pissing people off is not going to help you get the guesses which might come close to the facts you're looking for.
You can indeed ask whatever you like, but EF members (who are mostly a very helpful bunch) are exactly as free to refuse help if you get snippy.
I asked for advice and followed up with other questions relating to solutions to my issue. What I don't appreciate is someone telling me that they can't give me a permit or a job - I clearly didn't ask for either. So the only truly snippy comment has first come from a user called roegner, and I will always confront those who are rude to me, online trolls or otherwise, hence my response.

I said I was after facts, what I meant was that I don't want people telling me things that are untrue and that could land me in big trouble with fines, etc. I think I was polite about that, it is another user who got snippy, but maybe you don't want to take them on because they have been around longer than me.

Think I'll be taking a break from this group bullying, thanks.
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I asked for advice and followed up with other questions relating to solutions to my issue. What I don't appreciate is someone telling me that they can't give me a permit or a job - I clearly didn't ask for either. So the only truly snippy comment has first come from a user called roegner, and I will always confront those who are rude to me, online trolls or otherwise, hence my response.

I said I was after facts, what I meant was that I don't want people telling me things that are untrue and that could land me in big trouble with fines, etc. I think I was polite about that, it is another user who got snippy, but maybe you don't want to take them on because they have been around longer than me.
Reading minds is impossible, especially across the internet. IMHO you should've stated this clearly from the start.
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You did come across as quite demanding, but I will not enter into an argument with you.
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Reading minds is impossible, especially across the internet. IMHO you should've stated this clearly from the start.

You did come across as quite demanding, but I will not enter into an argument with you.
It is more or less a given that nobody wants to be given advice that could end with them being fined or banned from future entry into a country.
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Re: Permit refused, please help!

I have had my fair share of issues getting permits in the past and there really are no ways of getting round it. You either have enough money to support yourself one way or another (employment, self employment, savings etc) or you are a dependant of someone who can support you.

Even if the amount of money needed to support yourself as a student is less than as not a student, which I'm not sure is the case, you still need proof of having paid your tuition fees so that could cancel out any savings.

What are you qualified in? What languages do you speak?
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It is more or less a given that nobody wants to be given advice that could end with them being fined or banned from future entry into a country.
Really, you'd be surprised that some people have actually asked for advice on how to get away with overstaying without getting caught. I'm glad you're not one of them.

The only people who can give you the facts about what you can and cannot do is the migration office. They're the ones making the decision and only they can say yea or nay to your questions. Each cantonal migration office is different and what might be acceptable to one may not be to another so even if someone was in the exact same circumstance as you, but living in a different canton, their advice could be worthless.

You already know they won't accept your financial situation to continue as a job seeker or as a dependent of your boyfriend. So now you have to go and ask them whether a student permit would be possible with the funds you have available to you. If they say yes, then you can try and get enrolled somewhere before your time runs out. If they say no, then that's it. Unless a job miraculously appears you'll have to leave Switzerland.

There are no other options and if it seriously disrupts your plans that's something you'll just have to live with. Go and get a job elsewhere, save every penny you can, visit back and forth and then - when you can afford it - come back and try again. You can keep applying for jobs here even when you're not in the country.
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Old 29.06.2015, 21:08
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What's your problem? Where did I ask you for a permit or a job?

This is an online forum - I am free to ask whatever I like. You can just mind your own business.

Here's some advice : sort your own shit out.
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