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C Permit for EU citizens

Hi everyone,
my name is Alessio and although i am not new to the forum i do not use it that often. I have a question about the C permit: If i understood correctly this is a permit allowing you to stay indefinitely in CH and European citizens can apply for it after staying 5 years continuously in CH.

My questions:

Do you need any other requirements besides 5 years of continuous stay?

Do you need to have a work contract longer than one year or with specific time-duration requirements when you apply? I ask cause I ll most likely have one lasting only some months when i will apply for the permit and then i ll have to look for a job..

Thanks to everyone

cheers

Alessio
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Old 20.06.2015, 17:08
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

Some (Betreibungsauskunft (no debt), no Sozialhilfe) and a statement from my employer that I work for them on an ongoing basis (so no limitation on work contract).

Do check the forum - permits, this question on required documents was answered several times I think.
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Old 20.06.2015, 17:12
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

As one usually gets five or six answers which contradict each other on EF, here is a link to the official State Secretariat for Migration. Not that you are likely to find the information you want. There are too many 'sometimes it's ten, sometimes it's five and sometimes it's no' bits. But at least I tried to help!
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

It is not about EU or non-EU.
Some EU nationals get a C permit automatically after 5 years (I think Italy is among them but not sure), others not and have to do a language test in some cases.
It is all dependent on your nationality as this is about bilateral agreements between Switzerland and your country, and not about EU agreements.

More info here: www.foreigners.ch
ps. look in Italian instead of English as it will probably give you more info.
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Old 20.06.2015, 22:34
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It is not about EU or non-EU.
Some EU nationals get a C permit automatically after 5 years (I think Italy is among them but not sure), others not and have to do a language test in some cases.
It is all dependent on your nationality as this is about bilateral agreements between Switzerland and your country, and not about EU agreements.

More info here: www.foreigners.ch
ps. look in Italian instead of English as it will probably give you more info.
Whether you need to do a language test or not is nationality dependant and also canton dependant. In Neuchatel there is no language requirement for UK nationals for example but in Zurich there is.
A C permit is issued automatically here for EU nationals whether you ask for it if not.
The possibility to request a C permit after 5 years is available to EU (15 old members) and EFTAnationals.
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Old 20.06.2015, 22:36
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

You don't always get the C permit automatically after 5 years, a lot of the people dealing with permits at a local (Gemeinde/kreisburo) level are trainees who just automatically renew the B permit because that is what it says on the letter.

I asked for my C permit and it was ok, no language test required, but I am married to a swiss.

The C permit is valid 5 years, not open ended.
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

Usually EU citizens get it automatically when their B permit expires and they apply for renual.But sometimes it depends on Gemeinde as well.There is no hard n fast rule regarding that.
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

Check this thread

http://www.englishforum.ch/daily-life/203361-new-language-requirement-eu-c-permit.html

you'll see Italian nationals are exempt from the language requirement due to the agreement they have with the Swiss. (post number 9)

"Due to subsidiary agreements and declarations of the Federal Council, nationals of the following countries received the permanent residence permit after a regular and uninterrupted stay of five years in Switzerland:

Belgium, Germany, Denmark, France, Liechtenstein, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Austria, Portugal and Spain."

Also in this thread:

http://www.englishforum.ch/permits-visas-government/183250-new-language-requirements-eu-efta-applicants-c-permit-kt-zug.html

So although Canton Zurich requires the test as an Italian you're exempt.

bal2084, understand that while the C permit lasts for 10 years as opposed to a B's 5, if you don't meet the requirements when it comes up for renewal then it may not be renewed.
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Old 20.06.2015, 23:10
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

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Usually EU citizens get it automatically when their B permit expires and they apply for renual.But sometimes it depends on Gemeinde as well.There is no hard n fast rule regarding that.
Not really correct. I went to renew my permit and got an application for a B (old EU, 5 years in Switzerland) and only when I asked I got the list of requirements to add to the application for a C permit.

So yes, the chances of getting a C when EU after 5 years is good but you often have to ask for it.
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Old 20.06.2015, 23:20
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... while the C permit lasts for 10 years as opposed to a B's 5...
Then why is my C only valid for 5 years?
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Then why is my C only valid for 5 years?
Mine also is only for 5 years, now I'm feeling inadequate
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Old 20.06.2015, 23:23
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

Also 5 years. Maybe poster is mixing this up with the validity of a passport? Never heard of a permit being valid for more than 5 years, even C´s need to be renewed every 5 yeras, to my knowledge
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Old 20.06.2015, 23:32
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

Yes, the C permit needs to be renewed every 5 years, but it's just a formality if you're still living here. I'm not aware of any conditions under which it would not be renewed, although I could imagine that major criminal convictions might do so.

My first C permit came through automatically (in BS) without me needing to apply for it, and I think the renewals (in OW) have also been automatic, just re-issued together with a payment slip without me even being aware it was due.
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

Yes, sorry, brain failure on my part. For some strange reason I was thinking it was 10. Weird, as we've been renewing ours every 5 years since 2003.
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

I posted before but there was a German couple with c permits who were instructed to leave as they were deemed a drain on resources
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

Being dependent on social support for prolonged time makes one loose the C permit.
In practice it is about 2 years of dependence. However, it is not done to residents staying longer than 15 years.
http://handbuch.bernerkonferenz.ch/s...tsangehoerige/
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Being dependent on social support for prolonged time makes one loose the C permit.
In practice it is about 2 years of dependence. However, it is not done to residents staying longer than 15 years.
http://handbuch.bernerkonferenz.ch/s...tsangehoerige/
Could that change once the Swiss sort out what they're going to do about the EU and limiting migration though? From what I can see from that document it's reliant on the Free Movement Agreement being in force.
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

These intl agreements and Swiss laws are just mentioned as the regulation basis but it isn't implied which regulation is derived or constrained by what agreement or law. My guts feeling is that C permit holder rights are independent of holder's citizenship.

This document is for canton Bern only so other cantons might differ in details.
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Re: C Permit for EU citizens

Hi everybody,
thanks to all for your answers. IT was helpful. And although i seem to understand that as an italian i do not need to show my proficiency in German, luckily i have been studying it already since some time so it should be ok..
we ll see..
Once i go through it i ll post an eventual update maybe useful for others.. it will still take some time before my B expires anyhow..
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Hi everybody,
i seem to understand that as an italian i do not need to show my proficiency in German, luckily i have been studying it already since some time so it should be ok..
My understanding is that you need to pass a test or have passed a test of A2 proficiency in the language of the kanton. Having said this, I have a Dutch friend who got the C permit on the premise that "Dutch is close to German" - ouch! Possibly the only time that the statement was not received with a vehement disapproval
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