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Studying in Switzerland gives preference in getting permit to work?

Hello,

I am thinking of joining a Masters program(MBA) in Geneva Switzerland.
But I am wondering if based on the studies in Geneva, will I be able to work there?
I know there are many permit issues in Geneva and one does not get permit easily to work there.
But if I study there, will I get any preference?
Somebody told me that once I will complete my studies in Geneva, I will get one year time to live there and search for a job, is that true? Where can I get this information?
Please reply whoever has any idea about this.

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Re: Studying in Switzerland gives preference in getting permit to work?

Hello Mehak,

Yes you are eligible to work here in Switzerland after completing your studies. The job for which you will apply, should also be a specialized one to increase your chances of getting a permit. But regarding the work permit procedure, the onus still lies with the employer who is willing to hire you. As a non-eu, you will be behind a Swiss citizen and then a EU for the job and the employer still has to prove to the authorities that they can't find a Swiss/EU person who can do the same job. And this is not just in Geneva but all over Switzerland.

The time to search for the job after your studies is usually mentioned on the permit which you will receive for your studies.

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Re: Studying in Switzerland gives preference in getting permit to work?

Not true Rwind. Non-EU graduates from Swiss universities are on equal footing when it comes to being hired, during the 6 month period after graduation.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...abgaenger.html

The main problem will be proving the scientific/economic factor.
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Not true Rwind. Non-EU graduates from Swiss universities are on equal footing when it comes to being hired, during the 6 month period after graduation.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...abgaenger.html

The main problem will be proving the scientific/economic factor.
This is correct. However, one should be aware that the 6 month "job seeking" permit after the studies is an L permit which resets your time to getting the C permit back to zero! Also, on the phone I was told that the job does not have to be perfectly fitting your specialty, though should be loosely connected (with an MBA that's not a problem I guess)
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Also, on the phone I was told that the job does not have to be perfectly fitting your specialty, though should be loosely connected (with an MBA that's not a problem I guess)
This is very doubtful - to give the job to a non-resident (and L doesn't count for this purpose) they must demonstrate that they are the best for the role and no local candidate was viable.

That's not going to work if the qualifications and/or experience don't match.

And as for an MBA - can you see anyone able to argue that there are no resident, qualified managers in Switzerland looking for a job ???
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This is very doubtful - to give the job to a non-resident (and L doesn't count for this purpose) they must demonstrate that they are the best for the role and no local candidate was viable.

That's not going to work if the qualifications and/or experience don't match.

And as for an MBA - can you see anyone able to argue that there are no resident, qualified managers in Switzerland looking for a job ???
No, those requirements do not apply for the special "job seeking L permit". I have also read this in the actual regulations but a quick google search did not turn them up, though I did stumble upon this, which confirms what I'm saying:

http://carriere.epfl.ch/files/conten...ates%20_EN.pdf
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No, those requirements do not apply for the special "job seeking L permit". I have also read this in the actual regulations but a quick google search did not turn them up, though I did stumble upon this, which confirms what I'm saying:

http://carriere.epfl.ch/files/conten...ates%20_EN.pdf
Your document contradicts your own statement and confirms mine. OP is Indian (well, in India, so it's a fair assumption).

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If you are a citizen of any country other than those mentioned in paragraphs 1 and 2, you can work in Switzerland, but the access to the job market will be more restricted. Your future employer will need to request a permit from the Employment Service (Service de l’emploi), and show that your employment has a significant scientific or economic interest, or that a satisfactory candidate from workers with priority (Swiss, Swiss residents, citizens of EU-17 or EFTA) could not be found.
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Your document contradicts your own statement and confirms mine. OP is Indian (well, in India, so it's a fair assumption).
:sigh: please read further...

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Q1.4 What are the legislative changes in vigor since 1 January 2011?
There are four changes which specifically concern non-European holders of a degree from a Swiss higher
education institution:
• They will no longer be asked to commit to leaving the country at the end of their studies.
• They will now be able to stay in Switzerland for six months after obtaining their degree, in order to
seek work. To do so, they need to ask for a specific temporary residence permit for seeking work
("Titre de séjour pour recherche d'emploi en Suisse"). See Section II for further details.
Their future employer may now ignore the priority principle for Swiss citizens, Swiss residents, EU-
17 and EFTA nationals. It will be sufficient to show that the job to be filled has a significant
scientific or economic interest. This rather vaguely-termed formulation in the law has been
clarified by an Ordinance on its application, but nevertheless remains subject to the interpretation of
the authorities who deliver the permit.

• Years spent studying in Switzerland may now be taken into account in obtaining a permanent
residence permit (C permit) if a residence permit (B permit) was held for at least two consecutive
3
years. This also applies to EU-17 and EFTA citizens.
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Also, on the phone I was told that the job does not have to be perfectly fitting your specialty, though should be loosely connected (with an MBA that's not a problem I guess)
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It will be sufficient to show that the job to be filled has a significant
scientific or economic interest. This rather vaguely-termed formulation in the law has been
clarified by an Ordinance on its application, but nevertheless remains subject to the interpretation of
the authorities who deliver the permit
Experience from others has shown that the specialty should be more than loosely connected, as you write. Interpretation/formulation is a fine thing, what the employer is willing to do is a completely different item.

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:sigh: please read further...
Instead of sighing you could have been helpful and actually quoted the relevant part of the document in the first place.

The official version is here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...abgaenger.html

And I stand by what I said - a newly graduated MBA would probably not qualify as a role with significant scientific or economic interest.
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Instead of sighing you could have been helpful and actually quoted the relevant part of the document in the first place.

The official version is here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...abgaenger.html

And I stand by what I said - a newly graduated MBA would probably not qualify as a role with significant scientific or economic interest.
Sorry, I was not able to find the raw information from a quick search, though I knew that document captured the main idea, and also added a lot of practical information that is typically not on the raw official documents.

They created that L permit because they probably realized how silly it was to invest many thousands of CHF in a student then kick them out of the country right after. I don't guess that "significant" in this case means that it is reserved for nobel laureates or billionaire investors, but that the job should require qualifications related to the studies in CH. It will of course depend on their interpretration, and maybe even the mood of the person with the stamp on that day, but I am optimistic that a reasonable connection is sufficient. On the phone the exact words they used were "it is not so you can be a waiter at a restaurant".

edit: and besides the rule only applies to new graduates, so it seems that one should not be excluded for being "only" a new graduate?!
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I am optimistic that a reasonable connection is sufficient
If you are basing this on experience, fair enough. I do have specific experience of this as a recruiting manager, and at least in Zurich for generic management skills there is virtually no chance of getting one. No company is likely to even try because they don't want to be labelled a time-waster by the authorities.
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If you are basing this on experience, fair enough. I do have specific experience of this as a recruiting manager, and at least in Zurich for generic management skills there is virtually no chance of getting one. No company is likely to even try because they don't want to be labelled a time-waster by the authorities.
I have not personally gotten such a work permission, I am only basing my comments on conversations with the Migrationsamt and the ETH human resources (which deal with such things a lot) - it was always in the context of work loosely related to a specific technical skillset (engineering), which is probably an easier sell than an MBA with no specialization.
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it was always in the context of work loosely related to a specific technical skillset (engineering), which is probably an easier sell than an MBA with no specialization.
Exactly - so for the OP - if you want to work in Switzerland as a new graduate, don't do an MBA, do something which is in demand here.
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Exactly - so for the OP - if you want to work in Switzerland as a new graduate, don't do an MBA, do something which is in demand here.
I think it depends on the skills/experience of the person in question. Many people work in a field (e.g. engineering) then get an MBA and return to that field, in which case they are sufficiently specialized that I would expect the situation to be similar to mine. Regardless of this, I guess it will come down to a bit of luck in every case, so one should only study here on the assumption that they may or may not be kicked out afterwards.
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However, one should be aware that the 6 month "job seeking" permit after the studies is an L permit which resets your time to getting the C permit back to zero!
That's true if you were on a B-student for less than 2 years. If you were on a B-student for at least 2 years, these 2 will count.

"Years spent studying in Switzerland may now be taken into account in obtaining a permanent
residence permit (C permit) if a residence permit (B permit) was held for at least two consecutive years"
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That's true if you were on a B-student for less than 2 years. If you were on a B-student for at least 2 years, these 2 will count.

"Years spent studying in Switzerland may now be taken into account in obtaining a permanent
residence permit (C permit) if a residence permit (B permit) was held for at least two consecutive years"
What you quoted is not the point. The point is for C, you must have a B permit consecutively for 5 (or 10, depending on where the person is from). If you have an L permit for one month, the clock resets. This was confirmed by a phone conversation, but of course it will finally come down to the decision when one actually applies.
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Indications are that the provision is not effective in practice for most non-EU students. Non-European students (also those studying in canton Geneva) are still required to submit a written statement committing to leave Switzerland after their studies, and the way in which the cantonal authorities have interpreted the provision means that more or less only graduates qualified for in-demand difficult-to-fill positions are likely to be granted work permits.
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