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What happens if you become unemployed while C permit application is in progress

Is there any impact on C permit application, (VINTA, non EU) if the employment status changes while the application is in progress?

When submitting application I already attached letter from my employer confirmig 5 years of uninterrrupted work.

Also, are there any benefits of having C permit compared to B permit in terms of unemployment or job search?

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Re: What happens if you become unemployed while C permit application is in progress

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Is there any impact on C permit application, (VINTA, non EU) if the employment status changes while the application is in progress?

When submitting application I already attached letter from my employer confirmig 5 years of uninterrrupted work.

Also, are there any benefits of having C permit compared to B permit in terms of unemployment or job search?

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I doubt anyone one will know, with a C permit you can do anything you want & you don't have to be working to renew.
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Re: What happens if you become unemployed while C permit application is in progress

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Is there any impact on C permit application, (VINTA, non EU) if the employment status changes while the application is in progress?

When submitting application I already attached letter from my employer confirmig 5 years of uninterrrupted work.

Also, are there any benefits of having C permit compared to B permit in terms of unemployment or job search?

Thanks,
A few job adverts specify they are only looking for Swiss nationals or C-permit holders. So there is a small advantage there in job searching.

Whether you have a B- or a C-permit should not ordinarily affect your rights concerning unemployment benefits.

A C-permit can't be taken away if you are unemployed. You can work as little or as much as you want/need to.

A C-permit can't be taken away because you rely on social welfare benefits*, i.e. the financial assistance from your municipality (minimal costs towards living) which you receive after your unemployment benefit has run out entirely (or if you are on it immediately because you weren't entitled to it in the first place because you were not working or had not worked enough).

*A B-permit can be taken away / a renewal refused / an upgrade to a C-permit refused, if you are on this specific type of social welfare.

A C-permit can't be taken away from you because you claim incapacity benefit/are on disability allowance and/or 'Ergänzungsleistungen'.
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Re: What happens if you become unemployed while C permit application is in progress

However, they can refuse to renew it. As Meloncollie has said before "remember as a non-EU citizen you have no intrinsic right to be here, as some of my long term settled friends have found out."

Question: Home buying

I can't remember the exact circumstances so I'll have to hope Meloncollie will supply the details, but only by gaining Swiss citizenship are you guaranteed a place here.
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Re: What happens if you become unemployed while C permit application is in progress

To the OP, what do you mean by your employment status has changed? have you become unemployed? i would not see any impact if it just change of employer. even then, if you become unemployed it should not be a problem as long as you are eligible for unemployment benefits and not drawing any benefits from social help.

A C permit has many advantages which are already given here but whether these apply to you or not is another question. as somebody mentioned, you can work as little as you want as long as you can survive on your own, not relying on social benefit. Also C permits are renewed every 5 years, so your stay here is guaranteed for atleast 5 years without any needs for proving your employment. however, the permit (B or C) can be revoked any time if you do something wrong. i think the rules are same for this.

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I can't remember the exact circumstances so I'll have to hope Meloncollie will supply the details, but only by gaining Swiss citizenship are you guaranteed a place here.
I would have thought that the C-permit can only be taken away after the holder has been convicted of an extremely serious crime. I read in statistics from around 10 years ago, Switzerland took away very few (10 to 15) C-permits per year and nearly all for serious criminal offences where a lengthy prison sentence would be the punishment, whether this figure has gone up or the C-permit can be taken away for 'less serious' crime I don't know.

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To the OP, what do you mean by your employment status has changed? have you become unemployed? i would not see any impact if it just change of employer. even then, if you become unemployed it should not be a problem as long as you are eligible for unemployment benefits and not drawing any benefits from social help.

A C permit has many advantages which are already given here but whether these apply to you or not is another question. as somebody mentioned, you can work as little as you want as long as you can survive on your own, not relying on social benefit. Also C permits are renewed every 5 years, so your stay here is guaranteed for atleast 5 years without any needs for proving your employment. however, the permit (B or C) can be revoked any time if you do something wrong. i think the rules are same for this.

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The OP said he has indeed become unemployed. But happily, neither the B- or C-permit can be taken away for this reason.
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Re: What happens if you become unemployed while C permit application is in progress

It cannot be taken away as long as it is valid but it definitely can not be extended. It happens very seldom but there has been a case whereby the permit of 2 Germans was not extended as they solely relied on Sozialhilfe (social support).
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Re: What happens if you become unemployed while C permit application is in progress

It can be taken away and at any time... There was a German couple that had been here for about 20 years and after falling on hard times claiming social help etc their permits were revoked as they were a drain on the state.
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It cannot be taken away as long as it is valid but it definitely can not be extended. It happens very seldom but there has been a case whereby the permit of 2 Germans was not extended as they solely relied on Sozialhilfe (social support).
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It can be taken away and at any time... There was a German couple that had been here for about 20 years and after falling on hard times claiming social help etc their permits were revoked as they were a drain on the state.
I assume they were both still on B-permits and had never bothered requesting a C, or were still with B because there was an interruption in the residence time here... I remember reading something about it including the fact that they appealed, but don't know how it turned out.
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Re: What happens if you become unemployed while C permit application is in progress

They were on a C
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They were on a C
That's awful for them then I guess and presumably highly unexpected. It must have in more recent years become easier for a C-permit to be rescinded.

I wonder what would happen if someone's permit was taken away yet they lived in their own property here. They would legally own a property that they can't legally live in!! Since ordinarily when you leave you don't have to sell. Would one have to continue living there 'secretly', without a permit/rights?!
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However, they can refuse to renew it. As Meloncollie has said before "remember as a non-EU citizen you have no intrinsic right to be here, as some of my long term settled friends have found out."

Question: Home buying

I can't remember the exact circumstances so I'll have to hope Meloncollie will supply the details, but only by gaining Swiss citizenship are you guaranteed a place here.
First let me stress that interpretation and practice seem to vary widely across Switzerland. Two people with the exact same profile and circumstances may face very different procedures and end up with different decisions depending not only on where the live but also on who makes the decision, and who the applicant is. So as always in Switzerland, but especially if you are non EU, YMMV.

I know people who have had applications for B to C conversions rejected, and I know people who have had B renewals denied. All had been living here years, working and paying taxes until in an awful twist of fate a layoff happened at the time their permit applications were due.

In one case the family had been here ten years, spoke the local language fluently, were involved in local affairs, the children had been educated here, they owned a house here, the family had contributed significantly to Swiss tax coffers for all those years. Nonetheless they were told to leave.

When discussing permit rights and requirements many posters seem to forget that only EU folks have rights, only EU folks can fall back on checking off a list of requirements for a successful application. If you are non EU, there is always that 'gotcha' that you have no intrinsic right to be here, your welcome might last only as long as you are contributing to Swiss society... And when your contribution falls short you just might find the welcome mat rolled up.

With the MEI, even more so.

Again, it should be emphasized that practices seem to vary. I have heard of non EU folks who are on social welfare and still allowed to stay, and I know, as above, folks who were 'good Auslanders' for many years prior to one time unemployment and told to leave.

Bottom line, if you are non EU, it would be wise to keep an exit plan, or at least a Plan B, in your back pocket.
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Re: What happens if you become unemployed while C permit application is in progress

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts, information. I am employed, full time......my question was, what happens if you become unemployed before the c permit is granted? Does that mean that automatically lead to denial of c permit?
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Thank you all for sharing your thoughts, information. I am employed, full time......my question was, what happens if you become unemployed before the c permit is granted? Does that mean that automatically lead to denial of c permit?
Only if before the C-permit is ultimately granted the authorities dealing with the application come to know that you have become unemployed, - it depends if they check it or if they find out or not and I guess at what stage your application is/was when you became unemployed, if it is early still, they might check on it, they might not, if it is late on, they probably will no longer check or never did as it is not something that is verified as a matter or course. Automatic denial, no.
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They were on a C
René and Sylvia Tittmann.

Actually they both had B-permits!

Issued in 2007, the renewal after 5 years of uninterrupted validity was refused, they made several appeals, but it seems (according to the press report) that they left in 2014 (though they had not necessarily exhausted all of their appeals).

Had they have already had C-permits, it wouldn't have happened.

http://www.bernerzeitung.ch/region/b...story/25655324

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/tra...id2786252.html

http://blog.tagesanzeiger.ch/bzforum...as-in-ordnung/

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Re: What happens if you become unemployed while C permit application is in progress

That's totally different to the original reports.
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That's totally different to the original reports.
That may be, but it is clear they were still on B-permits.

I believe that once on a C-permit, residents of Switzerland are on the whole safe and won't be deported or threatened with deportation in that way.
They are highly unlikely to have their permits taken away from them, unless they commit a very serious, violent crime.
I haven't read anything to the contrary hitherto.
I have read for example that it can't be taken away for having no money at all and/or being in serious debt.
Some residents on a C-permit have never been abroad anyway, some have never seen another or their 'home' country.

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