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I know there have been many posts opened about this.
However, every single case is a bit different, and I now need your help to sort something out with the visa.

I'm a Swiss citizen. My fiancé is Egyptian. He wanted to come here in August for a visit for the first time, however he got his visa refused.
We are now considering doing an appeal, however we're in a very bad position, because my fiancé's final goal would be immigrating to Switzerland in the future. But not this time. This time it was really only about visiting and seeing the country.
A few facts:
-the reasons the visa was refused were:
  • The information submitted regarding the justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable.
  • Your intention to leave the territory of the member state before the expiry of visa could not be ascertaine.
- the purpose of the travel was stated on the invitation letter that my mother signed, and were: visiting my family and visiting Switzerland


- on the invitation letter we also stated the following:

  • Details of my mom and of my fiancé
  • Period of the trip: from the end of July to the end of August 2015
  • relationship: family friend since 4 years (we left out the fact that he's my fiancé thinking that it would lead to a direct refusal)
  • guarantee of his return: a short paragraf stating that after the visit he would return to Egypt
  • costs of the trip: we stated that we would offer accommodation in our house and food during the stay, saying that my mom is self funded and has enough money for that (we also brought the bank statement, but it wasn't taken at the time of delivery)
  • Passport copy attached
- my fiancé delivered all the papers requested (application form, passport, certificate from Mogamma, identity photo, invitation letter, employment certificate, confirmation of leave approval, bank statement, insurance, round trip flight ticket)


After delivering all the papers, we don't really understand what went wrong.


Anyhow, what happened, happened, and now we want to make an appeal. We read some infos online, and found that basically what we need is to show that he has strong ties to his country. Which he doesn't. He has a job, yeah, but he's looking for a new one (in Egypt or in Europe), as the contract is ending. He's not responsible for anyone (such as children) in Egypt. He would like to immigrate in the near future.

So at this point, other than the letter from my mom saying that we guarantee that he would return to the country, we really don't have much.



Does anybody have any suggestions on what we could deliver with the appeal to make them understand that it's really just a visit? Because it is, we're not planning to break the rules and make him stay with an expired visa. We just want him to come, spend some quality time with us in this beautiful country, and then let him go back to Egypt till the next time.



Please if you have any idea, help me! If you need any more information to answer me, I'm surely available to provide more details!



Thanks all in advance!

If it wasn't clear, he applied for a Visitor visa.

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Old 11.07.2015, 18:08
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Re: Schengen Visa refused, please help!

It's hard to tell from your post - why is your mother involved? Is she the one providing the financial guarantee of his expenses? On the surface, I imagine the authorities think it sounds odd that an Egyptian guy would be visiting two Swiss ladies for a month (since you said you did not disclose the relationship, they don't know what his tie to you is).

It sounds like the authorities don't believe the story for some reason, and they are on to the fact that he would like to move here permanently. I'm not sure how you can overcome that, particularly if you can't prove he has strong ties to Egypt. In the short term, does he have parents or siblings that could write a letter to vouch for his strong ties?

In the long term, the Swiss keep really good records. So if you were able to convince them on appeal for a visit now...what would you do when the time comes for a fiancé visa? You'd then have to flip-flop and say his ties here are stronger, when you'd previously said they're in Egypt.

I'd say your best bet is to contact an immigration lawyer for advice on how to proceed. You don't want to have success with the visitor visa only to be turned away for something more permanent later.
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Re: Schengen Visa refused, please help!

Thank you for your answer.

My mother was the person signing the letter because I'm currently doing an internship and couldn't provide any financial guarantee as I myself am still partly funded by my mother.

Here is what I prepared for the appeal letter, however we think it won't be enough to convince them.
Any suggestions? Do you think that we should just be straight and tell them that he's my fiancé planning to visit this time but get married in the future? I read online that just mentioning "boyfriend" or "fiancé" is a red alert for the Embassies


"I feel that you wrongfully denied him the visa, because on my invitation letter I stated that the purpose of his travel was visiting my family, as well as seeing Switzerland for the first time. Moreover, the decision to refuse the visa was made without consulting with me first. Nobody from the Embassy of Switzerland in Cairo contacted me to make sure that the papers delivered were reliable.

As a Swiss citizen, on the invitation letter I guaranteed the return of *********** to Egypt on the 29th of August, proved also by the return flight ticket that he’d already paid and submitted with the visa papers. His intention isn’t staying in Switzerland after his travel in August, but he’s planning to come purely for tourism purposes and to visit my family. ********** currently has a job in Cairo, from which he’s got permission of leave for holiday during the month of August, as proven from the paper delivered. Moreover, he has a family in Egypt.

As written on the invitation letter delivered, *********** has been a close family friend for 4 years, whom members of my family have visited multiple times in his home country, Egypt. In this occasion we have decided to invite him here, in order to thank him and his family for their hospitality, and to give him the chance to see our wonderful country.

I would like to ask you to reconsider **********’s application and to void your visa denial. Please, see the attachments, which include a copy of my current bank account statement showing sufficient funds in my account. "
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...I read online that just mentioning "boyfriend" or "fiancé" is a red alert for the Embassies...
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...Moreover, the decision to refuse the visa was made without consulting with me first. Nobody from the Embassy of Switzerland in Cairo contacted me to make sure that the papers delivered were reliable...
I'm no expert, so all I can offer is a opinion. I have no idea how often appeals are overturned, but telling them you're upset they didn't consult with you probably wouldn't be a good start. To me it comes across a bit...I don't know, entitled or something? The Swiss authorities don't have to consult with you before making a decision. When issuing the denial they've informed you/him that they don't think the documentation provided is reliable.

I'd stick to reiterating the situation and proof provided, and instead of asking them to void their decision (again to me it comes across as a bit of an order), ask them to reconsider and please approve the visitor's visa. Positive language and all that.

I assume you've written in English here, but that your actual documentation has been submitted in a Swiss language.

Good luck!
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Re: Schengen Visa refused, please help!

Thank you for your opinion, I will surely consider your suggestions. I've written the letter in English first, so that my fiancé can understand it as well
I'll deliver it in Italian. I really hope that it will be enough.

If anyone has any other suggestions, please do say them!
If this thing will be successful, it may be of help for future poor souls that have to deal with the annoying process of getting a visa x_x
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Re: Schengen Visa refused, please help!

Sorry but your proposed letter adds nothing to the application, there is no new information that would justify them reconsidering their decision.

For example, could you provide a letter from his employer in Egypt stating that he has a permanent position there and is expected to return to his place of work after the holiday. And so on.
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Sorry but your proposed letter adds nothing to the application, there is no new information that would justify them reconsidering their decision.

For example, could you provide a letter from his employer in Egypt stating that he has a permanent position there and is expected to return to his place of work after the holiday. And so on.
When he first applied, he also delivered the leave approval from his job, signed and stamped at the office. Why wouldn't that be enough? I can attach it to the letter again, but it's still nothing new.
The problem here is that we really cannot understand what the real reason for rejecting him was.

Maybe a poorly written invitation letter, in which I tried to fit all the information required on one page. But still, I added all of the thing they said were to be in the letter.

I've contacte the EDA in Berne twice, trying to understand what the real problem was. My fiancé called the Embassy of Switzerland in Cairo, and they couldn't discuss the decision either.

I don't mind all the paper work and stuff, but when it comes to rejecting, they really should be clear on what was wrong or missing, because this is all just really confusing to us.
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Re: Schengen Visa refused, please help!

One thing I've learnt since living here, is that the various Swiss authorities can do whatever they want, and no amount of reasoning with them or trying to make them see sense will make them change their minds.
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One thing I've learnt since living here, is that the various Swiss authorities can do whatever they want, and no amount of reasoning with them or trying to make them see sense will make them change their minds.
Meh, that's not very comforting.
I've also read online that usually making an appeal to refusal of Schengen visa is free of charge. However to do it here it's CHF 200 deposit which won't be refunded if negative answer. If positive they'll give back CHF 150.
Looks that they're just trying to make people's lives harder.

Don't get me wrong, I love Switzerland, it's my home country. But when it comes to these things, I think they should reconsider some of the laws.
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Re: Schengen Visa refused, please help!

Making an appeal to refusan of a Schengen visa is not free anywhere else.
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Meh - go somewhere else on holiday and check Switzerland out once you're married.
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Don't get me wrong, I love Switzerland, it's my home country. But when it comes to these things, I think they should reconsider some of the laws.

This is not typically Swiss but the same for all Schengen countries.
This is how you are treated in visa applications when born in the wrong country.
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Re: Schengen Visa refused, please help!

Also, don't want to inflame you on this, but seeing the situation with migrants coming across the Med right now, I'm not terribly surprised someone from that side of the sea isn't getting a visa. Get married first, it'll be easier...
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Don't get me wrong, I love Switzerland, it's my home country. But when it comes to these things, I think they should reconsider some of the laws.
There is no "they" to reconsider the law. From your perspective as a citizen it's "we". Therefore raise a petition and get your laws changed. You've got direct democracy - use it.
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One thing I've learnt since living here, is that the various Swiss authorities can do whatever they want, and no amount of reasoning with them or trying to make them see sense will make them change their minds.

With US and UK immigration it's the same
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Re: Schengen Visa refused, please help!

also, is it not possible to apply for a visitor visitor on his own by showing confirmed bookings of hotels and flight tickets. this is the route normally taken by tourists who have no links with switzerland.

i think there are two types of visitor visa. self sponsored and sponsored by somebody already in switzerland. i think you tried 2nd type and were not successful. but if your fiance can apply on his own providing his own bank statements and hotel bookings etc, i think it should fall into first type and may be will get an approval.

but in general,i am really surprised that there is no guaranteed way of obtaining a visa for such situtations. the authorities dont want to see any connections to switzerland from the visitors as that would create doubts that the visitor will not return back.

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