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Emergency travel document for Indian child

We are from India and expected delivery date for wife is early Dec 2015. Both of us have a B-Permit (work) till Feb 2016 but my contract with the customer ends end of Dec 2015.


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1) As Indians (non EU), are we allowed to stay in Switzerland in such a situation if the contract end date is before the permit end date? I ask these because it would take atleast 1.5 months to organize birth certificate, passport & permit for the new born. From what I understand for passport control at airport, valid permit (resident card) is what they check.


2) What are the other options in such a scenario? Does anyone have experience with tatkal passport / emergency travel document with Indian Embassy, Bern?
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Your permit effectively ends when your job does so ask for it to be extended or make plans to leave before the baby is born.
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Re: Emergency travel document for Indian child

No medea. The work permit may end on that end but the residence permit is good till the validity date. this means you can stay in switzerland until the last date on your resident permit. how you support yourself during this period is another story. normally if a person has contributed to the unemployment insurance during the time he/she worked, then they are eligible for unemployment benefits during this time. but in this case, if Op's employer is an Indian company, i think they wont like that he/she claims unemployment benefits as it will be basically looked upon by authorities as mismanagement by the employer. at the time of renewal, it may be difficult to get the B permit renewed as the contract has ended.

abt emergency passport, i heard that you can get a one year hand written passport within a short time for such cases but i am not sure. the op has to check with the embassy in Bern. about the permit, it really depends if the op is leaving permanently or just needs the permit for a short trip out of the country. if leaving permanently, the immigration can stamp a temporary D visa in the child's passport and that should be enough to cross the borders.
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Re: Emergency travel document for Indian child

Really HappyCreature? It'll be good for the OP if that's the case, but I've always thought that if the permit is a tied one once the job finishes so do the permit rights. After all having a job is the reason you got the permit in the first place. If you don't have one there's no legitimate reason for you to still have a valid permit being that you wouldn't have been granted a permit in the first place without the job.
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Really HappyCreature? It'll be good for the OP if that's the case, but I've always thought that if the permit is a tied one once the job finishes so do the permit rights. After all having a job is the reason you got the permit in the first place. If you don't have one there's no legitimate reason for you to still have a valid permit being that you wouldn't have been granted a permit in the first place without the job.
I think a lot of ex-pats would suffer if that was the case. I know a few B permit holders that are either on RAV or have changed jobs with a break in between. Otherwise why do we pay unemployment insurance if we can not be in the country whilst unemployed?
I think you might be thinking of an L permit?
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I think a lot of ex-pats would suffer if that was the case. I know a few B permit holders that are either on RAV or have changed jobs with a break in between. Otherwise why do we pay unemployment insurance if we can not be in the country whilst unemployed?
I think you might be thinking of an L permit?
But are they non-EU nationals? That's what we're talking about here. EU nationals of course are not restricted by having a job or not immediately. But if you're non-EU and don't have an open B then once your job ends, that's it isn't it? Because a closed B is tied to being employed.
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But are they non-EU nationals? That's what we're talking about here. EU nationals of course are not restricted by having a job or not immediately. But if you're non-EU and don't have an open B then once your job ends, that's it isn't it? Because a closed B is tied to being employed.
They might not be tied just because they are not EU... I know third-world on non-tied B visa's (although mostly US to be fair)
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Re: Emergency travel document for Indian child

It does not matter (tied or not). tied only refers to the work permit which means Non EUs with such tied B permits cannot switch jobs.

the basis for residence is evaluated once a year (at the renewal) and having a job (and income) is one of the criteria to get approval for residence permit.
the employer applies for the renewal which means the employer has a fair idea about how long the job will run and for B permits, they normally ask for one year extensions. if the job finishes before that date is a problem of the employer. ideally authorities expect that employers apply for the renewal only for that period of time that they need the expat. and when the expat is out of work in such a situation, the unemployment insurance will kick in providing support until the next renewal. but whether the permit will be renewed or not is another story. most probably it will not be renewed for Non EUs as the B permits will be restricted.


The Indian companies know the rules very well, so if they see that a contract is ending, they simply send the expat back to India to work there.so this question of claiming unemployment insurance never arises for such cases.

it is absolutely possible that you lose your job in the next month after a renewal and you can stay until the next renewal.
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It does not matter (tied or not). tied only refers to the work permit which means Non EUs with such tied B permits cannot switch jobs.

the basis for residence is evaluated once a year (at the renewal) and having a job (and income) is one of the criteria to get approval for residence permit.
the employer applies for the renewal which means the employer has a fair idea about how long the job will run and for B permits, they normally ask for one year extensions. if the job finishes before that date is a problem of the employer. ideally authorities expect that employers apply for the renewal only for that period of time that they need the expat. and when the expat is out of work in such a situation, the unemployment insurance will kick in providing support until the next renewal. but whether the permit will be renewed or not is another story. most probably it will not be renewed for Non EUs as the B permits will be restricted.


The Indian companies know the rules very well, so if they see that a contract is ending, they simply send the expat back to India to work there.so this question of claiming unemployment insurance never arises for such cases.

it is absolutely possible that you lose your job in the next month after a renewal and you can stay until the next renewal.


Thanks Happy Creature for the response. Appreciate your inputs. Yes I am from India (non-EU), Resident permit tied to the company I am deputed to from my employer. Contract with the deputed company end Dec 2015, however I see a fair chance of extension but will not know untill Sep which complicate things.Well my resident permit ends Feb 2016. You are correct in saying that Indian companies would immediately ask employees to return as soon the work contract expires (with a valid resident permit) beyond that. Yes in regards to funding, I can manage that myself for another 2 months as I would need a month to get the passport for the new born. (Dec is a holiday season & birth certificate is a mandate to apply for passport at Indian Embassy, Bern)
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