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Working in Switzerland, family (still) abroad

Hi, I'm currently working in Switzerland, with a permanent contract and a residence permit type B, ending July 2016 (after 5 consecutive years). I'll apply for the type C in 2016.

My question is: if I get married and my wife still lives/works in the UK, am I allowed to keep on having my residence permit type B (or C) and have a family in a different country?
BTW: I think so... but I wanted to hear from you!

If possible, please specify real experiences if you have any.
Thank you very much!
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Old 22.07.2015, 11:45
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Re: Working in Switzerland, family (still) abroad

Of course you are, why wouldn't you be able to keep your permit since you're living and working here?
I lived with our son in Belgium for almost two years whilst my husband lived and worked here ( with frequent visits obviously) and he had his B permit.
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Of course you are, why wouldn't you be able to keep your permit since you're living and working here?
Thanks for your answer. The second part of my question is if there's any *minimum* amount of time per year or per month that you've to spend in CH to maintain your permit. Of course the long term plan is to be all here, but it'll take time...

This wouldn't be a matter of choice for me anyway, as my jobs forces me to work here from Monday to Friday, and from the end of August to the end of July.
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Re: Working in Switzerland, family (still) abroad

Yes there is. i think with a B permit, you can be away from the country for 2 months and with a C permit, it may be 6 months. However, you can keep your C permit in suspended mode for up to 4 years with a valid reason like your employer has moved you to another branch in another country. you will have to surrender your permit while leaving at the local gemainde which you will get back when you finish your assignment abroad.

I think your question is specifically about if you can live in another country and still maintain your swiss residence permit. the answer is NO.
the permit becomes invalid once you are away from the country for a longer time (more than 2 months for B and 6 months for C).

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Old 22.07.2015, 16:14
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Thanks for your answer. The second part of my question is if there's any *minimum* amount of time per year or per month that you've to spend in CH to maintain your permit. Of course the long term plan is to be all here, but it'll take time...

This wouldn't be a matter of choice for me anyway, as my jobs forces me to work here from Monday to Friday, and from the end of August to the end of July.
It's something like 180 days per year in Switzerland so you could go to the UK every weekend and for holidays and still be considered resident here.

You can be outside iof Switzerland for up to six consecutive months without giving up your B permit as long as you are planning to return but my understanding of your situation is that this is not your intention. ( although Happycreature seems to have interpreted it differently)

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It's something like 180 days per year in Switzerland so you could go to the UK every weekend and for holidays and still be considered resident here.

You can be outside iof Switzerland for up to six consecutive months without giving up your B permit as long as you are planning to return
Thank you Belgianmum, you understood what I meant perfectly.
My goal isn't living abroad and holding a permit here, of course.

My questions was about what happens to a permit when one has to move across the border frequently, for family reasons, and yet work here 100%.

Thanks again. Cheers!
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Hi, I'm currently working in Switzerland, with a permanent contract and a residence permit type B, ending July 2016 (after 5 consecutive years). I'll apply for the type C in 2016.

My question is: if I get married and my wife still lives/works in the UK, am I allowed to keep on having my residence permit type B (or C) and have a family in a different country?
Getting married if you are foreign and on a permit does not affect your residence permit or status here in any way.
In any case, if you marry abroad for example, the Swiss authorities will only know about it if/when you tell them!
Where the rest of your family resides, for your permit/situation/status here, is completely irrelevant.

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My goal isn't living abroad and holding a permit here, of course.
My questions was about what happens to a permit when one has to move across the border frequently, for family reasons, and yet work here 100%.
Thanks again. Cheers!
Again the Swiss authorities will only know about any semi-permanent / mid- to long-term departure if you inform them officially.
You can cross as many borders as many times as you wish (most movements are not recorded in any way), this will not affect your permit/residence here in any way. If you are working in Switzerland, whether 10% or 100%, your residence permit should stay valid since you are employed, earning and paying taxes at source on a B-permit.

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Old 22.07.2015, 21:20
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Re: Working in Switzerland, family (still) abroad

You seem to advocate to lie to the authorities Plumtree?

OP, you can work here, have your permit, pay your taxes here etc and still go regularly to the UK and be married.

You need to tell your employers of the change of your status as the tax deductions will be different for a married person.

And whether you wonder if this official? Yes, I do the same and checked with the authorities who gave me green light.
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Old 22.07.2015, 21:27
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It's something like 180 days per year in Switzerland so you could go to the UK every weekend and for holidays and still be considered resident here.

You can be outside iof Switzerland for up to six consecutive months without giving up your B permit as long as you are planning to return but my understanding of your situation is that this is not your intention. ( although Happycreature seems to have interpreted it differently)
However the OP would almost certainly ALSO be tax resident in the UK, having family, having accommodation & spending over 90 days in the UK, in the second year without doubt he would be.
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However the OP would almost certainly ALSO be tax resident in the UK, having family, having accommodation & spending over 90 days in the UK, in the second year without doubt he would be.
Well yes but he didn't ask about taxes. I was only answering his permit queries.
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You seem to advocate to lie to the authorities Plumtree?

OP, you can work here, have your permit, pay your taxes here etc and still go regularly to the UK and be married.

You need to tell your employers of the change of your status as the tax deductions will be different for a married person.

And whether you wonder if this official? Yes, I do the same and checked with the authorities who gave me green light.
Not at all! Where is the lie?!

I was in fact pointing out that unless you inform your local authority in Switzerland that you have married abroad, they can't know that you have! If you want your details updated you have to go your municipality to inform them of your new civil status, fortunately this doesn't mean a reissue of your permit since civil status is not an entry on EU/EFTA L-, B- or C- permits as it is not relevant.

As far as holders of B- or C-permits with 5 year validity are concerned the Swiss authorities will only know about any semi-permanent / mid- to long-term departure if you inform them officially, whether you go over these apparent 2-month or 6-month stay-away limits that are supposedly in place, is really irrelevant as it would be very difficult for the authorities to enforce such a limit and no way of them checking that a foreigner is really present for the entire validity period on their permit.
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Not at all! Where is the lie?!

I was in fact pointing out that unless you inform your local authority in Switzerland that you have married abroad, they can't know that you have! If you want your details updated you have to go your municipality to inform them of your new civil status, fortunately this doesn't mean a reissue of your permit since civil status is not an entry on EU/EFTA L-, B- or C- permits as it is not relevant.
True that it is not relevant for your permit but it is definitely relevant for your tax status and failing to notify that you are married is tax evasion at best and could lead to issues when extending your permit.
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True that it is not relevant for your permit but it is definitely relevant for your tax status and failing to notify that you are married is tax evasion at best and could lead to issues when extending your permit.
That's interesting. I hadn't thought about that side of things.

Do married people then, on the whole, pay more tax or less tax than singles?

And if the spouse, of a person resident in Switzerland, is not resident, does this have an effect on how much tax is due?

*... could lead to issues when extending an L- or a B-permit, but not a C-permit!

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True that it is not relevant for your permit but it is definitely relevant for your tax status and failing to notify that you are married is tax evasion at best and could lead to issues when extending your permit.
If the wife does not live here, she is not tax resident so irrelevant as she has no CH tax liability. No deductions for the wife or children either.

Curiously when my brother renewed his B permit , did the language test so eligible for a C Bern asked why his wife did not have a permit.
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Re: Working in Switzerland, family (still) abroad

Could depend on the Kanton you live in. I have to add hubby´s income to my tax income statement but also get a nice deduction for that/him.

In my case I live in Switzerland, hubby in Germany, and I am taxed as married.
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Could depend on the Kanton you live in. I have to add hubby´s income to my tax income statement but also get a nice deduction for that/him.

In my case I live in Switzerland, hubby in Germany, and I am taxed as married.
That's very true. OH was taxed as married here in Neuchâtel too and got the deductions but he had to include my income on his tax form too.
I've had this discussion with FMF before.
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