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Old 28.07.2015, 16:17
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Re: Starting to look for a job in switzerland

The cost of living doesn't change much in Switzerland, thanks to low inflation.

As Richdog says, don't automatically discard a thread as useless just because it was started a while ago. After all, your idea of reasonable expenses is going to differ from others'.

These threads have some great examples of things to consider:

Cost of living - help needed to get it right

Cost of living in Switzerland-with examples

There are more than 100 threads that talk about cost of living. Some might be relevant to you and others not, but do have a read through the more recent ones. There's a LOT of good advice in there, you just have to do a little of the leg (er, reading) work yourself:

http://www.englishforum.ch/search2.php?q=cost+of+living


Hopefully you can compare your own current costs and lifestyle using some of this info, and determine whether the move is for you.
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I did search.and found few but most of them have data from 2010 or earlier which i figured would be outdated

If anyone can give me some figures it would be great.
Roughly, for a family of 3-4 persons count on around CHF 9'000 (SGD 12'700) pr month but of course it depends on where you live, type of school you choose (or even day care) etc.

I have included here: Rent, School (day care fees), Transport, Groceries, Health insurance, Phone/internet and Electricity. Most likely there will be extras here and there that you need to add on.

So again depending on where you live you would have to earn around CHF 135'000 (SGD 192'000) per year but that would not leave you any room for any savings or anything else.

Please anyone add anything I might have left out or gotten wrong...
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Roughly, for a family of 3-4 persons count on around CHF 9'000 (SGD 12'700) pr month but of course it depends on where you live, type of school you choose (or even day care) etc.

I have included here: Rent, School (day care fees), Transport, Groceries, Health insurance, Phone/internet and Electricity. Most likely there will be extras here and there that you need to add on.

So again depending on where you live you would have to earn around CHF 135'000 (SGD 192'000) per year but that would not leave you any room for any savings or anything else.

Please anyone add anything I might have left out or gotten wrong...
Interesting... so what do other families with 1 child do that earn less than 80-90k a year? Starve?

Sorry, but saying 135k per year is needed and would leave no room for savings or luxuries seems faintly ludicrous.

A modest 3 room apartment in Zone 10 Zürich can be had for 1'600-1'800. Day care for a kid can be provided by the mother while the father works and the family establishes itself. Transport is 85 chf per adult per month for Zone 10 public transport without a car. Groceries are easily do-able on less than 1000chf per month, especially for people that are good cooks and thrifty with where and how they shop. Health insurance is around 750chf for two 35 year old adults and one 2 year old child (I used Comparis).

1800 + 170 + 1000 + 750 = 3720chf. That doesn't factor everything in, but still leaves just under 3000chf per month left over from a 90k per annum, 6500chf per month net salary. It's more than do-able.

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Re: Starting to look for a job in switzerland

Hmmm... I just shared what conditions we are living under...

Rent: CHF 2'000 per month (incl car space and this is cheap where i reside)
Transport (2xGA) : CHF 610 pr month
Day care and school : CHF 3'500
Groceries : CHF 1'500 (no alcohol, tobacco included here)
Health Insurance : CHF 800 (3 people)
Electricity : CHF 150
Misc Expenses : CHF 250

Total: CHF 8'505

But great if you can live for a fraction of what I see as a normal budget would be so @wherenext go with @Richdogs calculations and you will be fine

Don't forget that there is always a little extra help to all of this if you follow the following (and if I may add) excellent advise:

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Day care for a kid can be provided by the mother while the father works
- so the wife of the OP's 9 years of SAP experience is of no use here.

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...especially for people that are good cooks and thrifty with where and how they shop
- Get that can opener out of the drawer...
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Hmmm... I just shared what conditions we are living under...

Rent: CHF 2'000 per month (incl car space and this is cheap where i reside)
Transport (2xGA) : CHF 610 pr month
Day care and school : CHF 3'500
Groceries : CHF 1'500 (no alcohol, tobacco included here)
Health Insurance : CHF 800 (3 people)
Electricity : CHF 150
Misc Expenses : CHF 250

Total: CHF 8'505

But great if you can live for a fraction of what I see as a normal budget would be so @wherenext go with @Richdogs calculations and you will be fine

Don't forget that there is always a little extra help to all of this if you follow the following (and if I may add) excellent advise:

1) - so the wife of the OP's 9 years of SAP experience is of no use here.

2) - Get that can opener out of the drawer...
You can try and mock all you like, but my point is that 135k is not needed for a family of 3 to live "comfortably", and your living situation does not necessarily represent what is possible within and around Zürich.

As for the last two responses to those points, it wouldn't be the first time that a partner has had to take time from working to establish themselves in a new country and of course it is fully feasible she may not find work within the first year. A 1000chf per month, 250chf per week food bill is also easily manageable while still eating well. Ask the thousands of Swiss families that do it on a monthly basis on what is the average Swiss salary.

If the OP can command a salary in the 110k+ range then they are going to be perfectly fine and will be able to afford some luxuries and save some money too. If his spouse can find a job straight away to pay for expensive childcare then all good, but it has to be taken into account that she might well not.

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Re: Starting to look for a job in switzerland

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Hmmm... I just shared what conditions we are living under...

Rent: CHF 2'000 per month (incl car space and this is cheap where i reside)
Transport (2xGA) : CHF 610 pr month
Day care and school : CHF 3'500
Groceries : CHF 1'500 (no alcohol, tobacco included here)
Health Insurance : CHF 800 (3 people)
Electricity : CHF 150
Misc Expenses : CHF 250

Total: CHF 8'505

If you need daycare it means your partner is working either part time or full time which would increase the NET available amount per month. Taking private schooling/daycare out of the equation and you can easily live on less than 6000 per month. And if you do not have a partner the Swiss social system does offer health insurance reduction, rent % payment, possibly day care etc.

I'm so tired of reading that 120k is the absolute minimum to live in CH. I'm on a salary over 170K and trust me it is at least 3 times what I really need to live. I also know someone who is on 90K and a family of 3 and they get by perfectly fine and even save a reasonable amount.

Be realistic ;-)

PS: How the hell do you manage to spend 1500 per month on food? My household consist of 2 + a dog and we barely reach 500/month. Seems that you don't even look at the price tags.. you just grab whatever caught your eye..
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Re: Starting to look for a job in switzerland

Thanks to all the replies. (Really can someone please tell me how to "thank" on the thread itself. i am just not able to find that damn thing)

Anyways we are starting a job search now and hoping something good will come up. I will update the forum again if we are finally able to make the move.

Thanks again folks!!!
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PS: How the hell do you manage to spend 1500 per month on food? My household consist of 2 + a dog and we barely reach 500/month. Seems that you don't even look at the price tags.. you just grab whatever caught your eye..
Seriously? I buy mostly Aktion items, do not buy any alcohol or soft drinks, and I have never had a shopping cart good for ~3-4 days (2 people) cost less than 90-100 CHF.
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As usual shopping in the wrong place again. Try Aldi and Lidl and save yourself some more money.

I do have a chest freezer which helps, but for comparison a couple of my weekly shops have been 59.90 and 85 francs at Aldi - and that's for 2 people.
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As usual shopping in the wrong place again. Try Aldi and Lidl and save yourself some more money.

I do have a chest freezer which helps, but for comparison a couple of my weekly shops have been 59.90 and 85 francs at Aldi - and that's for 2 people.
That's fine. For me, there is no Aldi/Lidl/Volg nearby so I'm forced to resort to the Migros/Coop duopoly, and those prices are hard to improve on.
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Seriously? I buy mostly Aktion items, do not buy any alcohol or soft drinks, and I have never had a shopping cart good for ~3-4 days (2 people) cost less than 90-100 CHF.

Well i am sorry to say, either you have no clue about hoe to shop or your are stupid.
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Well i am sorry to say, either you have no clue about hoe to shop or your are stupid.
Thanks for your well thought-out response. If you had bothered to read the above, I said I don't have the luxury of a Lidl/Aldi/discount shop nearby, so I am forced to Migros, which no one can deny is expensive (particularly relative to these alternatives above). To go to the nearest discount shop and save that 40-50%, I would lose enough time with the commute that the whole exercise loses its practicality. I don't know about you, but I value the opportunity cost of lost time.
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