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YES! Dual or more nationality. 28 50.91%
YES! I will give up my existing passport to become purely Swiss. 4 7.27%
NO! I don’t want to lose my native passport. 3 5.45%
NO! I don’t think having a swiss passport will make any real difference to my life. 10 18.18%
Haven’t decided yet... 10 18.18%
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Re: Do you plan on getting a Swiss passport?

I was naturalised a few years back, it was an easy decision to make, to have dual Swiss aussie - my wife and kids already had dual so I was just catching up. It makes a few things easier, not the least border controls thru Europe, though I have to admit I still havent voted, as I dont feel sufficiently engaged or knowledgeable politically. I applied outside of Switzerland, so the Bund did my paperwork, and from the stories that I have heard from people going thru the Kanton, the Bund route was straightforward though still took a year to complete
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Care to explain the assets and wife comment?
Swiss law on forced inheritance.

I've seen families devastated by this when one spouse suddenly passes away.

A non-citizen may claim Heimatrecht so that his/her estate is treated under his/her own country's laws. Which is what we have done, as we wish to ensure that all goes to the surviving spouse and then to charity, rather than to relatives who do not need (or in some instances, deserve) the money.

Ironically, if we left our assets to be distributed under Swiss law all that money would leave Switzerland. By exercising Heimatrecht so that we can leave our estate as we choose, to whom we choose, Switzerland will benefit.
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On the face of it, we look like good candidates for naturalization. We can check off the specific requirement on the naturalization list.

We have been here 17 years, I speak German, have made it a point to learn about the history, society and culture of the country and our region. We own our home here, I volunteer in the community, we are as involved in village life as we can be. We are good taxpayers. OH brought jobs and investment to Switzerland. In short, we try to be ‘good Auslanders’.

But we have been told point blank not to apply for naturalization as we will never be approved. We were told this by a person who actually likes and supports us, to save us the embarrassment of a rejected application.

You see, I made the mistake of getting on the wrong side of an influential person in the village. And that is all it takes. No matter if you fulfill the official criteria, anything at all can be deemed ‘fehlende Integration’.

On the bright side: Knowing there is no sense in chasing the red pass, I now feel free to plant my window boxes in any color geranium I choose.

I have enjoyed most of my time here, but will also be happy to finally go home.
Odd... what did you do? Is there no getting on their good side again?

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Exactly, I think a lot of it boils down to how you actually feel. I don't feel Swiss now, and I doubt that in 10 years I'll feel Swiss either. That's nothing against them, it's just the way it is.
This in my eyes a rather backwards mentality. Does getting a passport suddenly mean you have to give up your identity and start feeling Swiss and introducing yourself to everyone as Swiss? Of course not, that is playground logic.

A Swiss passport helps to secure your future in the country you live in, it's hardly a brain-washing technique that forces you to give up any other cultural identity. If it strengthens your position in a country you want to live in permanently, then it's a logical step.

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Swiss law on forced inheritance.

I've seen families devastated by this when one spouse suddenly passes away.

A non-citizen may claim Heimatrecht so that his/her estate is treated under his/her own country's laws. Which is what we have done, as we wish to ensure that all goes to the surviving spouse and then to charity, rather than to relatives who do not need (or in some instances, deserve) the money.

Ironically, if we left our assets to be distributed under Swiss law all that money would leave Switzerland. By exercising Heimatrecht so that we can leave our estate as we choose, to whom we choose, Switzerland will benefit.
Perfect, so I can simply do what you did and declare Heimatrecht and avoid that potential issue? Sounds easy enough then.
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Perfect, so I can simply do what you did and declare Heimatrecht and avoid that potential issue? Sounds easy enough then.
Not if you become a Swiss citizen. Heimatrecht is only available to residents who are not Swiss citizens.
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Odd... what did you do? Is there no getting on their good side again?



This in my eyes a rather backwards mentality. Does getting a passport suddenly mean you have to give up your identity and start feeling Swiss and introducing yourself to everyone as Swiss? Of course not, that is playground logic.

A Swiss passport helps to secure your future in the country you live in, it's hardly a brain-washing technique that forces you to give up any other cultural identity. If it strengthens your position in a country you want to live in permanently, then it's a logical step.



Perfect, so I can simply do what you did and declare Heimatrecht and avoid that potential issue? Sounds easy enough then.

If that was possible I would have mentioned it. Swiss citizens have to follow Swiss law & only Swiss law on this regard.
You give up your freedom of choice with a Swiss passport. Personally I prefer to make my own decisions, rather than be told what I have to do.
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If that was possible I would have mentioned it. Swiss citizens have to follow Swiss law & only Swiss law on this regard.
You give up your freedom of choice with a Swiss passport. Personally I prefer to make my own decisions, rather than be told what I have to do.
Good choice, to an extent.
How does it work then for dual-/multi-nationals?
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How does it work then for dual-/multi-nationals?
If you have Swiss citizenship and are resident in Switzerland at the time of your death then Swiss inheritance law applies. Your other citizenships are irrelevant.*

To all wondering what happens when you shuffle off this mortal coil - for the sake of your loved ones, please get qualified expert advice, tailored to your individual situation.



* In most cases. A good lawyer is likely a good investment when dealing with issues that cross borders.
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The right to vote.
The right to be elected.
Possibility of departure and reentry without having to go through permit application process.
Possibility to apply for jobs only open to Swiss citizens.
The right to purchase property without any sort of restrictions.
Little possibility of deportation.

I'm not sure if there are any other advantages to having Swiss nationality...

One day we probably will do it, as we do indeed intend to remain here for keeps, but I don't really see any of those factors listed as a big deal, TBH, and they're not all correct anyway.

I don't know what jobs I can't apply for, but I do know that a C permit gives one the right to buy and live in whichever canton you choose, and I think deportation is only possible in the event of major criminal convictions, so I'm not overly worried there either.
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How does it work then for dual-/multi-nationals?
Any other citizenships are irrelevant, at least as regards Swiss assets, foreign assets depend on the country.

Personally, I like the Swiss, Italian, French, etc. thing of forced inheritance, as it prevents mentally weak people from being unduly influenced (and I have seen it happen).

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After more than a decade here, I've started to think about it now, and for one reason only: voting.
I don't feel Swiss (well, because I'm not), but I live here and am interested in what happens in my community. I'd like to take part in it by expressing my opinion by voting.

Other than that, I really don't care. I'm integrated enough (although my German skills let me down...or better said, I let down my German skills), I volunteer, I know and am friendly with all my neighbours, and am as square as the next one.

Of course, I say this because I don't need it. I'm an EU citizen married to a Swiss.
If I did need it, I'll be running to the Gemeinde in high heels, if I had to.
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Swiss law on forced inheritance.

I've seen families devastated by this when one spouse suddenly passes away.

A non-citizen may claim Heimatrecht so that his/her estate is treated under his/her own country's laws. Which is what we have done, as we wish to ensure that all goes to the surviving spouse and then to charity, rather than to relatives who do not need (or in some instances, deserve) the money.
Can't you avoid this by having your kids sign a disclaimer whereby the will would be accepted?

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This in my eyes a rather backwards mentality. Does getting a passport suddenly mean you have to give up your identity and start feeling Swiss and introducing yourself to everyone as Swiss? Of course not, that is playground logic.

A Swiss passport helps to secure your future in the country you live in, it's hardly a brain-washing technique that forces you to give up any other cultural identity. If it strengthens your position in a country you want to live in permanently, then it's a logical step.
It's not playground logic, nor is it being nationalistic. Some things in life just don't need to be explained rationally. If you don't feel Swiss, then there's no need to go through the rigmarole of becoming Swiss.

With a C-Permit, your future is more or less secure and you enjoy virtually all the same rights as a Swiss citizen. That's good enough for me.
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Can't you avoid this by having your kids sign a disclaimer whereby the will would be accepted?
Yes.

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Any other citizenships are irrelevant, at least as regards Swiss assets, foreign assets depend on the country.

Personally, I like the Swiss, Italian, French, etc. thing of forced inheritance, as it prevents mentally weak people from being unduly influenced (and I have seen it happen).

Tom

I don't like anyone to believe they have a right to my money. It's not capped & I don't think large inheritances are a good thing, seem many millions blown by young kids.
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It's not playground logic, nor is it being nationalistic. Some things in life just don't need to be explained rationally. If you don't feel Swiss, then there's no need to go through the rigmarole of becoming Swiss.
Fair enough... we'll just agree to disagree on that kind of subjective feeling!

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A C-permit has the danger of theoretically not being renewed, or could even technically be downgraded to a B, that is an obvious disadvantage in my eyes. In addition, applying for leave from the country could theoretically be refused.

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Yes.

Tom
So theoretically you can create an alternate will asking for the right to distribute what you choose, and everyone has to sign it when they are over 18 in order for it to be legal??
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I don't know what jobs I can't apply for
Some jobs connected to the army/armed forces for example. It is stated in the job advertisements.
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I think deportation is only possible in the event of major criminal convictions, so I'm not overly worried there either.
Correct. And as far as I know there are only around 10 to 20 deportations of C-permit holders per annum.
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With a C-Permit, your future is more or less secure and you enjoy virtually all the same rights as a Swiss citizen. That's good enough for me.
Exactly. Very good point.
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I don't really see any of those factors listed as a big deal, TBH, and they're not all correct anyway.
Which ones aren't correct? Have I missed something (out)?
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Which ones aren't correct? Have I missed something (out)?
The house-buying one, as I pointed out.

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The right to purchase property without any sort of restrictions.
... but I do know that a C permit gives one the right to buy and live in whichever canton you choose
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The house-buying one, as I pointed out.
Yes but I stated that in my original post!
"Some non-citizens already have some of those advantages."
Do you plan on getting a Swiss passport?
You can apparently even buy property with a B-permit under certain circumstances. When I purchased, I was though already on a C-permit.
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Care to explain the assets and wife comment? Making cryptic statements really doesn't add too much to the discussion.

As for the military service experience I actually don't think it's a bad thing and many Swiss I have talked to said they learnt some useful skills and made some good friends.
I don't think this was meant as a cryptic comment. As I understand it:
Under swiss inheritance laws there are obligations to leave percentages to children etc. However it is that the land where one expires, not one's nationality that determines inheritance issues. Does anyone have a comment on this?
As for national service - do I miss having been too old to learn how to kill people -not much, but playing with a rifle and hiking up mountains might have been fun.
Otherwise, just advantages from holding a Swiss passport as long as dual nationality is not a problem
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Many males don't naturalise/delay naturalising simply to avoid military service or military tax, though I am not sure at what exact age they would no longer be considered for it.

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More interested in my young kids (5 and 2) having the option of dual passports.. Just in case it gives them some advantage later when the UK falls apart
Why is the UK going to fall apart and Switzerland not?

I don't understand that comment, the UK is strong and has a great many economical allies and a commonwealth. Switzerland's economics are probably on the whole more tenuous then the UK's, its just a higher GDP in relation to a relatively tiny populace. I realise that the high quality of living here is fantastic, its great for schooling for your kids and the government will happily pay a ransom if you are ever kidnapped in the Middle East. But I fail to see an overall advantage of holding Swiss citizenship, unless you really, really hate where you come from. I can live here indefinitely on my UK passport as my wife is Swiss. I am happy to be British, so I am going to stay that way.
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