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Moving to Switzerland next week

Hi there,

I'm new to this forum !
I'm a British citizen and an IT professional with over 10 years of experience in my field. I quit my job in London and have decided to move to Switzerland (as I was getting many calls from recruiters based there). Till now I was not entirely sure about the work permit requirements, I always thought that as a EU national I was free to choose a job. However after reading some threads on this forum, I'm a bit confused.

My initial plan was to move there for 3 months and start applying for jobs in my field (and meanwhile just to pay my bills, do some odd jobs). But looks like its not possible. If I take up an odd job (badly paid one), I would need a 'L' type permit and which may cause issues to upgrade to 'B' type permit when I find a job in my field. Am I correct?

Suppose if I decide not to take up odd jobs and wait for a right job in my field, do I still need to register at the local canton? Can I not do it after 3 months (just to save insurance premium cost?). I've got EHIC issued in the UK (which comes with a condition that my perm residence has to be in the UK), Can I not use it for initial 3 months and then register at the local canton as a job seeker (to get jobseeker 'L' type permit)?


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Is it mandatory to register within 14 days of arrival? Can I not do it on the 90th day, so that I get additional 3 months to search for jobs and also saves my insurance cost for the first 90 days?
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Is it mandatory to register within 14 days of arrival? Can I not do it on the 90th day, so that I get additional 3 months to search for jobs and also saves my insurance cost for the first 90 days?
Your not even here and you're trying to cheat the system.

Finding a job may prove harder than you think.....
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Re: Moving to Switzerland next week

Thanks for the prompt reply.
I know its not easy to find a job anywhere.But since I was getting so many calls from recruiter, thought of trying my luck.
About cheating thing..Well..It's just like your opinion. I'm trying to save money for rainy days. I have never claimed or have any plans of claiming dole for rest of my life. My first 90 days are more like vacationing in Switzerland. I have never been there and want to experience the country firsthand by living there.
( If I register in Switzerland as a resident there then I will have to give up my EHIC- which I don't want to do. Cause I'm not 100% sure if I really want to live in Switzerland) .As you can imagine 300-400 chf for a health insurance is a lot for a job seeker who is dependent on his own savings.
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Your not even here and you're trying to cheat the system.

Finding a job may prove harder than you think.....

Had some spare time this evening and thought of going through some of your previous posts. I must say..I couldn't help myself from noticing cynicalism
in most of your posts..I like that !

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Re: Moving to Switzerland next week

Welcome to the forum dilip_gem!

You can read something about arrival talked about recently here:

What are the required documents / info to get a B permit ?

A lot of people only register when they have actually found a job, as it's probably much easier that way in terms of time, you will have more time to settle in properly, look for a job etc.

Have you already found some place to stay/live, more permanent accommodation than a hotel? Do you have other friends, contacts here?

Once you have a home here then this will be your address. When you're ready you can register as being resident at that address at the nearest town hall and/or foreigners' police office (the exact procedure depends on the canton where you will reside).
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Re: Moving to Switzerland next week

I strongly advise that you forget your plans of coming here and looking for a job. Instead try to get a job in Switzerland while remaining in the UK. You could perhaps talk to one of the many agencies who contact you.

Two important questions.
Do you speak German or French to a reasonable level?
What are of IT do you work in?
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Re: Moving to Switzerland next week

I have no idea of your current financial means but..

If you are looking for an IT job you will really want to be close to a population centre - and cost of accommodation and other living costs will chip into your savings fairly rapidly.

Your best bet is to apply for the roles you say the agents keep contacting you about as this will allow you to get a toe in the door.

The other thing is to scan the different job sites - Jobserve, monster.ch etc to see what niche you might be able to fill.

Without a command of a local language your search will be limited to larger companies where you can survive initially with English.
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Welcome to the forum dilip_gem!

You can read something about arrival talked about recently here:

What are the required documents / info to get a B permit ?

A lot of people only register when they have actually found a job, as it's probably much easier that way in terms of time, you will have more time to settle in properly, look for a job etc.

Have you already found some place to stay/live, more permanent accommodation than a hotel? Do you have other friends, contacts here?

Once you have a home here then this will be your address. When you're ready you can register as being resident at that address at the nearest town hall and/or foreigners' police office (the exact procedure depends on the canton where you will reside).
Thanks for the reply, plumtree
I have found a budget accommodation in a village near Bern (French part). Its a studio at a very low price (may be because its in a village around 60 kms from Bern). I do not have friends or family in Switzerland.
I'm thinking of moving to big city (close to work place) one I get a job offer. I have attended a couple of telephonic interviews and have positive feelings about them. But I'm not sure how long it will take for them to get back to me.
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But since I was getting so many calls from recruiter, thought of trying my luck.
So why don't you get them to find you a job then, before you come over?
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So why don't you get them to find you a job then, before you come over?
Because that would make sense...
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I strongly advise that you forget your plans of coming here and looking for a job. Instead try to get a job in Switzerland while remaining in the UK. You could perhaps talk to one of the many agencies who contact you.

Two important questions.
Do you speak German or French to a reasonable level?
What are of IT do you work in?
Thanks for the reply NotAllThere
I can understand your point of view, but have already attended a few interviews for jobs based in Switzerland and have got positive feelings. I know you must be saying this considering the cost of living there. But luckily I have managed to find a budget accommodation (which will cost almost same or even less than what I pay here in London).

I do not speak Geman/French. I speak a bit of Spanish though..I don't mind learning a new language (one of the reasons why I'm moving to Swiss). Planning to join a language school there.

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So why don't you get them to find you a job then, before you come over?
They are doing it. I haven't informed them that I'm moving to Switzerland next week. I've attended few interviews few days ago and waiting for their feedback. Meanwhile I found a budget accommodation in Swiss, so thought of moving there. Cheers

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Is it mandatory to register within 14 days of arrival? Can I not do it on the 90th day, so that I get additional 3 months to search for jobs and also saves my insurance cost for the first 90 days?
For the insurance, you should be able to get something closer to or even less than 200CHF. The insurance must be retroactive to the time you entered the country, not when you registered. Not only this, but must be to the first of the month of when you entered. Come on the 30th? Yeah... pay for the whole month. Stupid. The Gemeinde where you register will/may/can check when you entered the country. You often only have 14 days to register once you move to a new place. It is only 90 days that you can stay here as a tourist. You cannot register under a tourist visa. Im always confused how stuff works with the UK, but you will probably have to go back to the UK once your tourist visa is up to enter again not as a tourist.

I would agree with everyone to get the job while you are in the UK... but you seem headstrong to come here. Just be prepared to head temporarily to get the permit sorted proper. If you do this, do not screw your landlord or they WILL file a Betreibung on you which will make it impossible to get a permit.
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For the insurance, you should be able to get something closer to or even less than 200CHF. The insurance must be retroactive to the time you entered the country, not when you registered. Not only this, but must be to the first of the month of when you entered. Come on the 30th? Yeah... pay for the whole month. Stupid. The Gemeinde where you register will/may/can check when you entered the country. You often only have 14 days to register once you move to a new place. It is only 90 days that you can stay here as a tourist. You cannot register under a tourist visa. Im always confused how stuff works with the UK, but you will probably have to go back to the UK once your tourist visa is up to enter again not as a tourist.

I would agree with everyone to get the job while you are in the UK... but you seem headstrong to come here. Just be prepared to head temporarily to get the permit sorted proper. If you do this, do not screw your landlord or they WILL file a Betreibung on you which will make it impossible to get a permit.
Thanks for the reply Curran919 ! Being a British Citizen (rather EU Citizen), we do not need tourist visa to enter Switzerland. However, as you said they can check passport scan records at the port of entry. Having said that.. After fist 90 'tourism' days, How about if I go to Germany or France (or any other EU country) for a day after and return back to Swiss as a Jobseeker?
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Is it mandatory to register within 14 days of arrival? Can I not do it on the 90th day, so that I get additional 3 months to search for jobs and also saves my insurance cost for the first 90 days?
No you can't. Do what everyone does and stick to the rules of the countries you live in or plan to live in.

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Thanks for the prompt reply.
I know its not easy to find a job anywhere.But since I was getting so many calls from recruiter, thought of trying my luck.
About cheating thing..Well..It's just like your opinion. I'm trying to save money for rainy days. I have never claimed or have any plans of claiming dole for rest of my life. My first 90 days are more like vacationing in Switzerland. I have never been there and want to experience the country firsthand by living there.
( If I register in Switzerland as a resident there then I will have to give up my EHIC- which I don't want to do. Cause I'm not 100% sure if I really want to live in Switzerland) .As you can imagine 300-400 chf for a health insurance is a lot for a job seeker who is dependent on his own savings.
It is taking advantage of the system (dole or not), not just "an opinion". You can experience the country and on (at the latest) 14th day of experiencing it, register. Problem solved.

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They are doing it. I haven't informed them that I'm moving to Switzerland next week. I've attended few interviews few days ago and waiting for their feedback. Meanwhile I found a budget accommodation in Switzerland, so thought of moving there. Cheers
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Re: Moving to Switzerland next week

I'm not sure if the knee-jerk comments on permits are correct.

If someone flew here for an interview or two, stayed in a hotel, then flew back to the UK would they register here? No.

So if they come here and have a few interviews while staying in a serviced apartment or sublet, isn't it the same? They're still a resident of the UK.

Only once you get a job offer would you apply for the B permit and become a resident.

So on that logic, the OP could come here and look for work without needing to become officially resident until they had a job (or their 90-day stay expired).

What am I getting wrong?
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For the insurance, you should be able to get something closer to or even less than 200CHF. The insurance must be retroactive to the time you entered the country, not when you registered. Not only this, but must be to the first of the month of when you entered. Come on the 30th? Yeah... pay for the whole month. Stupid.
Nonsense! The insurance only has to cover the period you actually are legally resident here, not a period preceding this as that period would already be covered by the insurance policy from the home country. A Swiss Krankenkasse doesn't offer the standard policy to a foreigner for months preceding the marked date of entry on a permit (except the calendar month of the day of entry).
Example: Foreigner notifies town hall of arrival as being 14th September. Within 3 months foreigner is supposed to take out a Krankenkasse policy covering September onwards (beginning September 1st). The policy can't begin before September 1st. Even if the foreigner arrives in June, July, August or even a year before. What counts is the date of entry that the foreigner declares to the town hall/foreigners' police, nothing else. Any period of time before the marked date of entry on the permit that is issued does not count as residence time here and does not need to be covered by a Swiss health insurance plan in any way. The foreigners' home countries cover that period, in the European Union countries' cases by the European health card.

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The Gemeinde where you register will/may/can check when you entered the country. You often only have 14 days to register once you move to a new place.
The town hall will be unable to determine the date of entry and will not check this. Dates of entry are not recorded in any way. Passports are not scanned. Some passports are not even machine-readable in any case. Switzerland has open borders and is in Schengen, there is no systematic check of documents.
The date of entry is the day the foreigner tells the authorities that he/she arrived on.

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I would agree with everyone to get the job while you are in the UK... but you seem headstrong to come here. Just be prepared to head temporarily to get the permit sorted proper. If you do this, do not screw your landlord or they WILL file a Betreibung on you which will make it impossible to get a permit.
A Betreibung can't be filed against someone who is not legally a permanent resident.
A Betreibung doesn't make it totally impossible to obtain a permit!

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Thanks for the reply Curran919 ! Being a British Citizen (rather EU Citizen), we do not need tourist visa to enter Switzerland. However, as you said they can check passport scan records at the port of entry. Having said that.. After fist 90 'tourism' days, How about if I go to Germany or France (or any other EU country) for a day after and return back to Swiss as a Jobseeker?
They can't determine the date of entry.
You don't even need to exit Switzerland for a day as a tourist and come back as a jobseeker, this serves absolutely no purpose.

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It is taking advantage of the system (dole or not), not just "an opinion". You can experience the country and on (at the latest) 14th day of experiencing it, register. Problem solved.
You only need register when you are settled and feel ready to. It won't help registering early. You best solution is to work with the potential employers on finding a job first.

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I'm not sure if the knee-jerk comments on permits are correct.
If someone flew here for an interview or two, stayed in a hotel, then flew back to the UK would they register here? No.
So if they come here and have a few interviews while staying in a serviced apartment or sublet, isn't it the same? They're still a resident of the UK.
Exactly. This is obvious.
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Only once you get a job offer would you apply for the B permit and become a resident.
Exactly. A lot of people do it this way.
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So on that logic, the OP could come here and look for work without needing to become officially resident until they had a job (or their 90-day stay expired).
What am I getting wrong?
Nothing at all, you are right! Many foreigners do not register when they first arrive as it merely creates a ticking clock with regard to the time they have to find a job. It is also a mammoth cost for the arriving foreigner to have to pay a health insurance scheme from the very beginning.
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