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Reading this it just occurred to me that the C permit renewal where we were asked to provide a copy of OH's employment contract, a copy of our tax filing, the document attesting to no social help, etc. was the renewal just before the 15 year mark.

One can't help but wonder what would have happened to that renewal application if we had had not been on sound financial footing.


But again YMMV by canton, Gemeinde, phase of the moon...
My C permit never had a renewal date shortly before 15 years. C permits had a 3 year 'Kontrollfrist' at the time. I think the 5 year permits were introduced in 2006 when they let the scuzzers buy property with only B permits.
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in 2006 ... they let the scuzzers buy property with only B permits.
I simply can't understand that move. You could end up with masses of people on B-permits owning property, yet then some having their permits revoked, (or they move out of Switzerland and then have an application for a new permit at a later stage turned down) meaning they own a property in Switzerland that they are not legally allowed to live in. How is that supposed to work out?
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Old 15.10.2015, 11:05
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I simply can't understand that move. You could end up with masses of people on B-permits owning property, yet then some having their permits revoked, (or they move out of Switzerland and then have an application for a new permit at a later stage turned down) meaning they own a property in Switzerland that they are not legally allowed to live in. How is that supposed to work out?
Previously B permits were yearly renewable, subject to employment.
You had to have a skill that was not available in CH at the time.

Loads of people now do own property & no longer have a B permits, you need a B permit to buy, not to own. Many wealthy foreigners in Verbier 'bought' B permits with a fiscal deal. After 5 years don't bother renewing & turn a primary residence into a holiday home. (in a restricted area! where holiday homes can't be built)
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I am sorry, this is sheer madness. Not your fault- but sheer madness. I would love to know which company that was and get them dealt with, truly. This is costing the community millions over the period of time.

But surely, you could choose to ask for retraining and go back to work- expose the system and get the firm to officially terminate the contract. Otherwise it is plain FRAUD (not yours- theirs) and truly unfair on those people who AI is being severely reassessed and cut due to the massive deficit of AI. Crazy.
You didn't get back to me about this: C permits have to be renewed?

As mentioned in my reply to you, I'd dearly like to expose what that firm does (terrible cases of constant and ongoing mobbing, illegal termination of contracts, systematic shifting of people onto IV/AI), in the press, but I do not know how to go about doing that, nor do I know the risks involved, legally speaking. For one individual like myself against a large company, it is daunting. I don't know who to approach or how to approach the press for this? What do I risk? What do I need to know beforehand?
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You didn't get back to me about this: C permits have to be renewed?

As mentioned in my reply to you, I'd dearly like to expose what that firm does (terrible cases of constant and ongoing mobbing, illegal termination of contracts, systematic shifting of people onto IV/AI), in the press, but I do not know how to go about doing that, nor do I know the risks involved, legally speaking. For one individual like myself against a large company, it is daunting. I don't know who to approach or how to approach the press for this? What do I risk? What do I need to know beforehand?
It could be that nobody answered your question because the thread is about c-permit renewals.
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It could be that nobody answered your question because the thread is about c-permit renewals.
Threads evolve and new discussions come about. I was asked about something that didn't relate directly to the thread's initial topic, so I replied! Odile was angry, understandably so, as I exposed (on the forum) a totally ridiculous and unethical practice that evidently goes on in some Swiss companies and has led to the situation that myself and others now find themselves in.
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Old 13.11.2015, 18:13
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Just depends how 4) is interpreted and whether AI is considered as social welfare?
*4) you or a dependent of yours is reliant on social welfare, long-term and in significant amounts.


Seems to be CHF 50,000
according to this article:
http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/story/28581970
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*4) you or a dependent of yours is reliant on social welfare, long-term and in significant amounts.
Seems to be CHF 50,000
http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/story/28581970
But in social welfare benefits. IV/AI (disability/incapacity benefit) is not included in that apparently.
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retraining and go back to work
More on retraining and back-to-work schemes... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34838539
Apart from the massive cost, it seems that such schemes could do more harm than good.
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We had to provide nothing whatsoever for ours. No documentation of any sort just the signed form and the current permit.
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Thats totally correct & normal for a C permit renewal. Someone else obviously 'confused'
I don't doubt that re C renewal, but just to be clear for others, you do need to provide plenty of documentation when first moving from B to C. Proof of employment, letters confirming you've not claimed benefits in the last 3 years etc. (Kanton Zurich). But good to know that if and when I get to renew my C, it will be a bit less bureaucratic.
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We had to provide nothing whatsoever for ours. No documentation of any sort just the signed form and the current permit.
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Thats totally correct & normal for a C permit renewal. Someone else obviously 'confused'
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We had to provide nothing whatsoever for ours. No documentation of any sort just the signed form and the current permit.


I don't doubt that re C renewal, but just to be clear for others, you do need to provide plenty of documentation when first moving from B to C. Proof of employment, letters confirming you've not claimed benefits in the last 3 years etc. (Kanton Zurich). But good to know that if and when I get to renew my C, it will be a bit less bureaucratic.
Ours wasn't C permit renewal it was conversion from B to C.

It's yet another of those things that varies greatly from canton to canton.

In Neuchâtel a conversion from B to C is automatic for EU nationals and requires no additional documentation other than the signed B renewal form and the old permit. For other cantons and other nationalities it may be very different.
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Ours wasn't C permit renewal it was conversion from B to C. It's yet another of those things that varies greatly from canton to canton. In Neuchâtel a conversion from B to C is automatic for EU nationals and requires no additional documentation other than the signed B renewal form and the old permit. For other cantons and other nationalities it may be very different.
Oh, OK, that's interesting. I was even asked for proof of German proficiency in the form of exam certificates (A2).

Strange that there's so much inconsistency in such an important procedure.
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Strange that there's so much inconsistency in such an important procedure.
In Switzerland, it's not called inconsistency, it's called federalism. I also think they go too far but Swiss reasoning on federalism is coherent. To me, the idea that widely different regulations can all be conform to the same federal constitution sounds suspicious, but in legal issues, it all comes down to definitions. I like tight definitions, the Swiss like broad definitions. I am not complaining about this, I am just making an observation.

This thread is a good reminder to always indicate which canton one talks about.
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