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Old 27.08.2015, 09:54
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Re: Traveling to Germany without a passport. What to do?? EMERGENT!

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It just seems very redundant since, well, what's the point of carrying it?

To stop you pissing everybody about on the same bus, you need a picture ?
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Old 27.08.2015, 10:12
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so the bus driver told me that I need a passport to go to Germany and refused to let me board. I thought what he said was bullshit and I sneaked in the bus, since I've traveled there many many times without it and I never had any problems. But then I just checked online and it seems that he's right. So have anyone who have similar experience and know what will be the consequences? I am a Non-EU, I have a valid Swiss residence permit and SBB travel cards. Don't think the half-fare cards works here...lol

I think my options here are sit there and face the police at the board like with a smile or hide in the bathroom when close to the boarder.

Any suggestions?
You sound like a very mature and trustworthy person. lol.

(one of the moments when I think Schengen it is a bad thing after all)
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Old 27.08.2015, 10:13
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Re: Traveling to Germany without a passport. What to do?? EMERGENT!

In the good old days you wouldn't even think about going into Germany without the correct papers.
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Old 27.08.2015, 10:17
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In the good old days you wouldn't even think about going into Germany without the correct papers.
In "old good days" you needed visas for each country! Now wearing a passport became too much of a hassle.
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Old 27.08.2015, 10:20
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In "old good days" you needed visas for each country! Now wearing a passport became too much of a hassle.
That could be resolved by tattooing a unique number on the wrist
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Old 27.08.2015, 10:31
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I took a pic of it cuz it's quite interesting

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Old 27.08.2015, 10:52
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I have traveled dozens of times to Austria on the Railjet and not once have I been checked by the border patrol.
Not so sure about going to Austria but coming back right now I can give a near 100% guarantee that you WILL be checked. Every IC from Austria that arrives at our border station is being checked by 3 police at the moment. I think even more for the early morning arrival which is apparently the favoured one for those travelling without valid papers.


I do notice they occasionally don't bother with 1st class, though.
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Old 27.08.2015, 10:56
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So luckily i was allowed to go through. The officials/police took all foreigners' passport/residence permit and I told them that my passport is in UK since I am applying for their visa, and showed them my account of the visa page, which says my application is still in progress.
I would be very, very careful about lying to border control officials. I don't know about Germany, but in the US, doing so can get you banned. I know this guy who had a green card. Like you, he didn't have it with him at the border. So he lied to them and said he was an American citizen, which he is not. So they dug in deeper, and found out he lied. They stripped him of his green card and banned him from the country for a number of years.

You better hope they are not tracking you. Or maybe they should, if you are a terrorist.
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Old 27.08.2015, 12:42
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Re: Traveling to Germany without a passport. What to do?? EMERGENT!

Well, actually OP is a good sportive.
Why shouldn't it be allowed to take pictures (well, also if "interesting" might be classified under "lil exaggerated")?. After all, this is a free country.


However, others might not:
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I remember reading some years ago that all foreigners in Switzerland are required to have their permit and passport with themselves at all times.
Untrue for Switzerland, true for Germany e.g.

Meanwhile in CH everybody is free to take an id or passport with him or leaving it at home (or, with regards to Swiss nationals, even not having any),


it's those foreign un-Swissie countries that treat human beings like a sh**.
Therefore: Better to take your id with you when entering one of those places.
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Old 27.08.2015, 12:47
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Re: Traveling to Germany without a passport. What to do?? EMERGENT!

I am Swiss and therefore don't have to carry around identification.
But I honestly don't see what the big deal is about carrying a passport/permit - having it on you at all times isn't much of a hassle, surely? This way, no matter where you go, you can identify yourself and avoid running into situations like the OP's without even trying.
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Old 27.08.2015, 12:57
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Re: Traveling to Germany without a passport. What to do?? EMERGENT!

It's not this.


It's being forced to carry one or to have one, in those places where personal freedom is no real value (maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, but the concept is that).
I want to be free to decide, and I claim it to keep on being a legal practise.


That's one of the difference between CH and those places around, and to my mind this is a positive quality.


Even if doing so I risk to have the hassle with official identification.
Anyway my choice.
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Old 27.08.2015, 13:05
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Re: Traveling to Germany without a passport. What to do?? EMERGENT!

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I am Swiss and therefore don't have to carry around identification.
But I honestly don't see what the big deal is about carrying a passport/permit - having it on you at all times isn't much of a hassle, surely? This way, no matter where you go, you can identify yourself and avoid running into situations like the OP's without even trying.
Nobody in Switzerland has to carry identification, Swiss or otherwise.

Having it on you at all times is a huge hassle - especially for anyone without a small identity card (e.g. British). Paper passport is really not great for any sort of sports, or just popping out - I don't generally forget my wallet, I can guarantee I'd forget my passport or lose it.
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Old 27.08.2015, 14:02
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Nobody in Switzerland has to carry identification, Swiss or otherwise....
Precisely. However, not having ID on you can lead to a trip to the police station, if the police are being arsey.
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Old 27.08.2015, 14:25
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I remember reading some years ago that all foreigners in Switzerland are required to have their permit and passport with themselves at all times.

Untrue for Switzerland, true for Germany e.g.
Untrue for Germany.
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/au...2004/__48.html
But you can proof me wrong: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/
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Book a flight to the US and try it again.

WeŽll get the popcorn out when you send the updates
Well U.S is another story, since Swiss residence permit doesn't mean anything there and I will need a U.S visa, and i will need a passport to obtain the Visa.

However, Swiss residence permit is apparently a valid document in Germany. Swiss can go there with their residence permits only. And just because I am not a citizen, my permit is invalid without a passport? So what's the point of the permit for foreigners? They can easily put the relevant information into the residence permit so that police/officials can get all the need to know by scanning the permit, right? Wouldn't it be convenient to everyone? I have paid 102 franc per year to renew the permit, so I just hope it can be more useful than this.
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Old 27.08.2015, 15:27
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However, Swiss residence permit is apparently a valid document in Germany. Swiss can go there with their residence permits only.
No, they cannot, as Swiss don't have residence permits.

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Old 27.08.2015, 15:35
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Well U.S is another story, since Swiss residence permit doesn't mean anything there and I will need a U.S visa, and i will need a passport to obtain the Visa.
Can you travel with a U.S. Green Card alone to Canada?
No. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcen...asp?q=593&t=16

A residence permit does not and is not indented to proof or determine your identity. Its intend is to proof your residency status. Just like a driving license proofs you are eligible to drive but not who you are (O.k. some countries to no get it and mingle up driving license and ID, which is very bad and stupid from a security point of view).
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I am Swiss and therefore don't have to carry around identification.
But I honestly don't see what the big deal is about carrying a passport/permit - having it on you at all times isn't much of a hassle, surely? This way, no matter where you go, you can identify yourself and avoid running into situations like the OP's without even trying.
yea i agree with you. Carrying it with me a no big deal at all. In this case, however, I thought my permit is good enough to identify me. Passport, however, is a more valuable item for me, because it's my ultimate ID, and if I lose it, I will have to get one from my country, which is annoying and expensive process. So I will rather keep it in somewhere safe when I don't have to carry it.
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No, they cannot, as Swiss don't have residence permits.

Tom
huh...thought the white cards they showed to the driver were their permits....their ID, maybe?
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