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CH Family Reunification Visa for Half EU and Half Non-EU couple for Non-EU mother

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I was looking at the Swiss visa website: https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification-eu-efta/ and can't seem to find the answer to this question or on the forum:

I am an EU national on a B permit. My wife is a non-EU national (US passport holder) on a B permit. We hare 4.5 years away from C.

Question is - could I bring my mother in law / wife's mom who is non-EU (US passport holder) to Switzerland on a family reunification visa?

Is it as simple as applying? eg no interview etc required?

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Old 08.09.2015, 08:44
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Re: CH Family Reunification Visa for Half EU and Half Non-EU couple for Non-EU mother

Did you not read your link? It's quite clear.


EU/EFTA citizens holding a Swiss residence permit may bring the following family members to Switzerland under the family reunification programme:
  • Spouse, registered partnership
  • Children and grandchildren under the age of 21 or older if you agree to pay their living expenses,
  • Parents and grandparents if their living expenses are covered.
That will include your spouse's parents. Whether any interviews are required I don't know. You will have to show that your accommodation is big enough by Swiss standards for everyone and that you have the financial means to support them.

Do you want to uproot your mother-in-law though, that's the main question. You'll be taking her away from her friends, familiar surroundings, etc, and dumping her in a country she doesn't know with no one but yourselves for company/friendship. If she doesn't speak a Swiss language she'll be even more isolated.
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Re: CH Family Reunification Visa for Half EU and Half Non-EU couple for Non-EU mother

Interesting...

My non-EU neighbor was denied permission to bring her non-EU mother here, despite being married to a Swiss citizen, despite her husband sponsoring the application, sufficient financing in place. She was told that non-EU rules apply since it was her parent, not her husband's.

(But then, this is the same commune where a friend was rejected for facilitated naturalization... The rules seem to be interpreted rather more narrowly here than elsewhere.)
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Re: CH Family Reunification Visa for Half EU and Half Non-EU couple for Non-EU mother

OP's wife is Non EU. hence the rules quoted by Medea dont apply as they are for EU. as far as i know, it is very difficult to bring parents of Non EU on family reunification visa.

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OP's wife is Non EU. hence the rules quoted by Medea dont apply as they are for EU. as far as i know, it is very difficult to bring parents of Non EU on family reunification visa.

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Ah, if that's the case (seems strange to me, but this is Switzerland) then the 3rd country rules will apply.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification/

You would also need to prove that she's already financially dependent on you I believe and that there are no other living relatives who could look after her. It's extremely difficult to bring anyone other than your spouse or children under 18 here I'm afraid if you're a non-EU national.
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Did you not read your link? It's quite clear.


EU/EFTA citizens holding a Swiss residence permit may bring the following family members to Switzerland under the family reunification programme:
  • Spouse, registered partnership
  • Children and grandchildren under the age of 21 or older if you agree to pay their living expenses,
  • Parents and grandparents if their living expenses are covered.
That will include your spouse's parents. Whether any interviews are required I don't know. You will have to show that your accommodation is big enough by Swiss standards for everyone and that you have the financial means to support them.

Do you want to uproot your mother-in-law though, that's the main question. You'll be taking her away from her friends, familiar surroundings, etc, and dumping her in a country she doesn't know with no one but yourselves for company/friendship. If she doesn't speak a Swiss language she'll be even more isolated.
I did read the link. My situation is different as both my wife and I are not both EU, only I am, however it's not my mother by blood. Rather it's my mother in law - she is non-EU. I'm trying to understand if reunification is applicable to her as I am EU but my wife and and her mother are both non-EU.
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I did read the link. My situation is different as both my wife and I are not both EU, only I am, however it's not my mother by blood. Rather it's my mother in law - she is non-EU. I'm trying to understand if reunification is applicable to her as I am EU but my wife and and her mother are both non-EU.
See previous posts (3, 4 & 5). It seems not so I think you'll have an extremely difficult task ahead of you.
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Re: CH Family Reunification Visa for Half EU and Half Non-EU couple for Non-EU mother

MitzEclipse, in my efforts to bring my FIL here (we are all non-EU), and from comparing notes with acquaintances trying to do similar, if I learned anything it's that little seems to be absolute, much seems to be left to local interpretation, and decisions made in one case might be radically different than decisions made in a another.

So the first step is to sit down with the most senior person you can find at your Gemeinde Einwohnerkontrolle. It will be important to get local Powers That Be on your side.* Start by trying to clarify if your MIL falls under EU or non-EU regs.

You, the EU person, should probably initiate that conversation as you are in the stronger position.


Wishing you, your wife, and your MIL all the best.


* In my Gemeinde, 'getting Powers That Be on your side' often includes looking at the request from the vantage point of 'How will the Gemeinde/Canton/Switzerland benefit?' rather than from a stance that stresses the needs of the applicant. BUT as above, local attitudes differ, I know of one person, different canton, who was successful by basing the application largely on compassionate grounds. So YMMV, etc., usw.
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MitzEclipse, in my efforts to bring my FIL here (we are all non-EU), and from comparing notes with acquaintances trying to do similar, if I learned anything it's that little seems to be absolute, much seems to be left to local interpretation, and decisions made in one case might be radically different than decisions made in a another.

So the first step is to sit down with the most senior person you can find at your Gemeinde Einwohnerkontrolle. It will be important to get local Powers That Be on your side.* Start by trying to clarify if your MIL falls under EU or non-EU regs.

You, the EU person, should probably initiate that conversation as you are in the stronger position.


Wishing you, your wife, and your MIL all the best.


* In my Gemeinde, 'getting Powers That Be on your side' often includes looking at the request from the vantage point of 'How will the Gemeinde/Canton/Switzerland benefit?' rather than from a stance that stresses the needs of the applicant. BUT as above, local attitudes differ, I know of one person, different canton, who was successful by basing the application largely on compassionate grounds. So YMMV, etc., usw.
Many thanks meloncollie for the response - I'll sit down with the Gemeinde Einwohnerkontrolle when/if we're ready - right now just thinking of longer term options in the future. Cheers
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Many thanks meloncollie for the response - I'll sit down with the Gemeinde Einwohnerkontrolle when/if we're ready - right now just thinking of longer term options in the future. Cheers
Bear in mind it may get even more difficult since the vote to curb immigration from the EU. One of the proposals is to introduce quotas for EU nationals and these would include any dependents as well. If implemented that could impact on your application, even if they accept it from an EU, rather than a non-EU applicant. Or they could decide to implement the same for non-EU nationals' dependents. Given that there are ony 6,500 non-EU national permits available per year it could make the situation even more difficult.

And you do need to consider whether taking your mother-in-law out of familiar surroundings and into unfamiliar ones at her age would be best for her.
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when/if we're ready -
Just to add from our experience - again bearing in mind that we are non-EU and from my small handful of anecdotes there seems to be widely differing attitudes, interpretations, procedures...

The process was long and drawn out, think closer to a year plus rather than a question of months. So if you think there is a chance that your MIL might need to move to CH you might want to start the process, or at least lay the groundwork, sooner rather than later. I know all too well that a sudden eldercare crisis requires prompt decisive action - but 'prompt decisive action' is not a phrase often used in the same sentence as 'bureaucracy'.


Again, all the best.
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