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L to B conversion quota available now?

Hello,
We are in L permit for last 2 years which will expire in this November. So we applied for B this time 2 weeks ago.

My husband has unlimited contract with Google. A friend said that- migration office is now more strict because of recent refugee crisis through out all over Europe.

We are afraid. Can anyone give me some insight? We are from Non-Eu third country.

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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

Doesn't your employer have to justify the application for a B, i.e. they can't find a Swiss/EU national who can do the job?
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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

Hi, I have similar situation:
  • Non-EU
  • Close to the end of second year on L (expiring in October)
  • Unlimited contract (actually, same employer as your husband's)

I applied for conversion in July, and today HRs have said that they got the approval from the authorities. So I think this shouldn't be a problem for you either.
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Old 30.09.2015, 15:58
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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

I highly doubt the 'migration crisis' will affect the normal 'highly skilled' migration procedures.

Really, people love to dramatize, but the only time that I know the quotas 'ran out' was after the financial crisis 2008 when they dramatically cut the quotas as a knee-jerk reaction. 6 months later there was a huge outcry from employers who couldn't get the staff they need.

The basic principle of the Non-EU 'skilled' permits is that we (I am one) are highly-qualified specialists, essential to the growth of the business, and for every one of us employed, it is possible to employ others locally and contribute to the economy/society as the business will expand and increase their profits.

And anyway, Switzerland is not bound to EU quotas as it's not EU, and they set their own rules.

Employers sometimes blame the 'migration office' for tightening up the rules etc, when it goes wrong, but sometimes it's just a 'soft' way to get rid of an employee without a loss of credibility on either side.

Even if there is a problem, you have enough time to lodge an appeal...there are several opportunities to persist if there is a rejection (normally we get people whingeing here on the forum if they have had a permit problem, and we haven't seen any for quite a while, I think)...
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Thanks a lot swisspea I'm also a software engineer . Hope I'll get work opportunity as a Dependent B and get some work as a skilled(!) labor

Thank you Dlougach Your words are soothing. I'll inform you if I get any good news. Wish me a good luck.

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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

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Hello,
We are in L permit for last 2 years which will expire in this November. So we applied for B this time 2 weeks ago.

My husband has unlimited contract with Google. A friend said that- migration office is now more strict because of recent refugee crisis through out all over Europe.
Another reason that the migration might be "more strict" is that the number of L and B permits for non-EU/ EFTA citizens was reduced from 5'000 L and 3'500 B in 2014 to 4'000 L and 2'500 B in 2015:

http://www.nzz.ch/wirtschaft/kampf-u...fte-1.18480871
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Hello,
We are in L permit for last 2 years which will expire in this November. So we applied for B this time 2 weeks ago.

Fatema
How exactly did you "apply for a B" I thought only an employer can do that???

I am kind of in the same situation.

Me and my wife are from Canada, we have been here for the past two years on an L-permit granted because of my work (highly specialized engineering field). In early September we have received "Verlanderunger der L-Beweilligung" application form and was told at the Kreisburo that it is quite possible that we will get an L for a third year in a row, but if we want a B, we should indicate it in the comments section.

It is Oct. 6th now, my current permit expires in 2 days and I still have not received anything. My company is a relatively small start-up, they had hired people from outside EU in the past (4-5 years ago) and back than they claim that L to B conversion was automatic after 24 months?

Have the rules changed? Does a company now has to explicitly apply for a B after 24 months of L?

I am wondering if anyone else has already been through a similar process in the past few months.
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How exactly did you "apply for a B" I thought only an employer can do that???

I am kind of in the same situation.

Me and my wife are from Canada, we have been here for the past two years on an L-permit granted because of my work (highly specialized engineering field). In early September we have received "Verlanderunger der L-Beweilligung" application form and was told at the Kreisburo that it is quite possible that we will get an L for a third year in a row, but if we want a B, we should indicate it in the comments section.

It is Oct. 6th now, my current permit expires in 2 days and I still have not received anything. My company is a relatively small start-up, they had hired people from outside EU in the past (4-5 years ago) and back than they claim that L to B conversion was automatic after 24 months?

Have the rules changed? Does a company now has to explicitly apply for a B after 24 months of L?

I am wondering if anyone else has already been through a similar process in the past few months.
I don't know whether a company has to explicitly apply for a B. This FAQ for Third-Country citizens has two Q and As that are somewhat relevant to your situation (under "During gainful employment" section):

http://www.awa.zh.ch/internet/volksw...hird-countries
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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

Normally authorities send a mail one month in advance of the expiration date. I don't remember if it goes to your employer, to employee or to both. In my case we always acted in advance before this mail.
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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

Apparently, at least in my case. The letters were supposed to come to me and my employer. I got mine, the employer claims they never did. They now made some calls, filled out some paperwork and now we wait.
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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

Somewhat overdue update, me and my wife did get a B permit in the end (and so did one of our American friends).

The bottom line seems to be that for non-EU nationals, as long as you have spent two years in Switzerland and have a permanent job without a termination date you and your dependents should be getting a B.
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Somewhat overdue update, me and my wife did get a B permit in the end (and so did one of our American friends).

The bottom line seems to be that for non-EU nationals, as long as you have spent two years in Switzerland and have a permanent job without a termination date you and your dependents should be getting a B.
Thanks the update! Did you indicate as a comment that you want a B permit? Would you mind letting me know how long it took this time for the change to B permit?

Thanks!
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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

If you have unlimited job contract you will automatically get a B permit after having L for 2 years. This B still may be linked with employer that means you can't change job freely.

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Thanks the update! Did you indicate as a comment that you want a B permit? Would you mind letting me know how long it took this time for the change to B permit?

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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

Yesterday's Tages-Anzeiger wrote that non-EU B permits were fully exhausted at month-end November and that non-EU L permits were 91% used up at that time:

"Es gibt tatsächlich einen Engpass, insbesondere bei Aufenthaltsbewilligungen für fünf Jahre. Die 2500 B-Ausweise für Personen aus Drittstaaten waren bereits Ende November alle vergeben – ein Novum in den letzten vier Jahren. Bei den Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligungen (L) bis zu einem Jahr waren zum gleichen Zeitpunkt 91 Prozent der 4000 Bewilligungen ausgeschöpft. "

It also wrote that cantons such as Zug, Basel Stadt, St Gallen and Zurich sharpened their requirements for granting non-EU work permits "otherwise the entire quotas would have been exhausted by the end of September". It appears that jobs paying less than CHF 100'000 will no longer be considered for work permits for non-EU people being brought to Switzerland for employment purposes.

"Dass die Kontingente trotz der deutlichen Reduktion fast bis Ende Jahr gereicht haben, ist auch der Reaktion von Kantonen wie Zug, Basel-Stadt, St. Gallen und Zürich zu verdanken. Sie haben ihre Praxis bei der Vergabe von Bewilligungen deutlich verschärft. «Sonst wären die Gesamtkontingente bereits Ende September ausgeschöpft gewesen», sagt Bruno Sauter, Leiter des Amtes für Arbeit und Wirtschaft im Kanton Zürich. So lehnt sein Amt neuerdings etwa Gesuche ab, bei denen das gesamtwirtschaftliche Interesse nicht genügend nachgewiesen werden könne. "

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtscha...story/11101481
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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

AFAIK L to B conversion are not subject to the quota limit. Ofcourse L to B conversion is subject to the scrutiny that they didn't get anyone from Switzerland or EU to do this job in the meantime.

These quota are for fresh applications. Many of my non eu friends got B from the start because of the higher position/salary.

Above may not be valid for the people who don't have unlimited job contract or people on deputation.
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Thanks the update! Did you indicate as a comment that you want a B permit? Would you mind letting me know how long it took this time for the change to B permit?
From the moment that I received the "Verlangerung der L-Bewilligung" letter it took about two and a half months to receive the B permit (and yes, in the comments section I did write that I want a B), but my employer messed up and if they would have submitted their paperwork on time it probably would have probably been done in under 1.5 mnths.
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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

Hi,

I have insight from my company that there are 25 B permits available for each organization who want to get their non EU employees to stay in Swiss.
Moreover at the end of the year there are less chances of success rate as the quota finishes
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Old 25.12.2015, 22:30
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Re: L to B conversion quota available now?

I would have thought there were more than 100 organisations who might need B permits (25 x 100 = 2,500). Or maybe it's a top 100 list and they get first dibs on them.
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I have insight from my company that there are 25 B permits available for each organization who want to get their non EU employees to stay in Swiss.
Moreover at the end of the year there are less chances of success rate as the quota finishes
When you can't even get the name of the country right, I have to wonder what you actually know about Switzerland.
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I have insight from my company that there are 25 B permits available for each organization who want to get their non EU employees to stay in Swiss.
Moreover at the end of the year there are less chances of success rate as the quota finishes
50% of the non-EU work permits are made available to the cantons based on the number of full-time employees employed in the canton. For example, for 2016 Ct. Zurich will have 252 B permits available to it while Ct. Fribourg will have 32 and Ct. Glarus 6. The other 50% of the non-EU work permits are reserved for the Bund, which can then distribute them to the cantons based on need.

In 2015 the number of B permits was sufficient for Ct. Fribourg and Ct. Glarus for the entire year. Other cantons, such as Zug, Geneva and Basel-Stadt exhausted their quotas already in March!

I have never seen anywhere anything to support your claim that "each organization is granted 25 non-EU permits".

For more information, see this link to an NZZ article:

http://www.nzz.ch/nzzas/nzz-am-sonnt...ime-1.18668713
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