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What happens if my Passport App ist denied?

Hey everyone

I am married to a Swiss and living here in ZH (same katon) since 6 years. I currently have a C permit and my German is good enough for the interview. I would like to apply for my Swiss pass soon and was wondering what the process would be, IF they were to deny my application?

My main question is how long would I need to wait to reapply? Is there any defined time frame or could I apply immediately after (depending on WHY it was denied of course)?

The main reason I could be denied would be the fact of being on RAV for 8 Months 1.5 years ago. Otherwise I think my chances are good.

Any info would be much appreciated and great work to the English Forum crew!
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Re: What happens if my Passport App ist denied?

You can only apply for a Swiss Passport, once you have gained Swiss nationality.
Once you have nationality, you just make an appointment at the Kantonal passport office, for a Biometric Passport, and it's done in person, and received by post within about a week.
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Re: What happens if my Passport App ist denied?

A lot of folk seem to use the word Pass or Passport as a synonym for Swiss Citizenship.
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Re: What happens if my Passport App ist denied?

Being on the RAV is not a reason for them to deny you Swiss citizenship, being in social aid could be though ( but you haven't been on that).
Being married to a Swiss and living here for more than six years there shouldn't be any reason for them to deny you as long as you have been married for the required number of years.
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A lot of folk seem to use the word Pass or Passport as a synonym for Swiss Citizenship.
Annoying, isn't it?


Many Swiss citizens don't have passports.
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Re: What happens if my Passport App ist denied?

How long have you been married? Even though we had been married for over 40 years when OH applied- they still wanted to interview me to check that we had no intention of separating after his interview. They particuarly liked the fact we are financially secure and are house owners- as we are retired and they do not want to have to look after us in our old age.

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Re: What happens if my Passport App ist denied?

Thanks for the info regarding my "passport" question.

So if i understood correctly step 1) apply for nationality step 2) "passport"

What happens if the nationality application is denied? I mainly concerned about the reapplication period...if there is any?

We have been married for 7 years.
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Re: What happens if my Passport App ist denied?

No actual period I don't think, but if your gemeinde turned you down then it would not be wise to try again immediately. You'd need to give it a few more years to intergrate yourself into the gemeinde first.

American professor denied Swiss citizenship
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Re: What happens if my Passport App ist denied?

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A lot of folk seem to use the word Pass or Passport as a synonym for Swiss Citizenship.
maybe he means this swiss pass:

https://www.sbb.ch/en/travelcards-an...ravelcard.html
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Thanks for the info regarding my "passport" question.

So if i understood correctly step 1) apply for nationality step 2) "passport"

What happens if the nationality application is denied? I mainly concerned about the reapplication period...if there is any?

We have been married for 7 years.
figure out the reasons for denial, address them and then reapply.
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Re: What happens if my Passport App ist denied?

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Thanks for the info regarding my "passport" question.

So if i understood correctly step 1) apply for nationality step 2) "passport"

What happens if the nationality application is denied? I mainly concerned about the reapplication period...if there is any?

We have been married for 7 years.
Citizenship application may take up to 18 months, it might be approved in 6 months too but officially they say it may take up to 18 Months.

Your marriage would not be fake
You should have paid your taxes properly
You should not have any seroius issues with police
you should be integrated or at least look like integrated


to be more precise:
Integration
Compliance with rule of law
No danger to internal or external security
Additional requirements depending on legal provisions

All these have to be proven, additional legal requirements are as mentioned above, taxes, no debts, no serious police record etc
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No actual period I don't think, but if your gemeinde turned you down then it would not be wise to try again immediately. You'd need to give it a few more years to intergrate yourself into the gemeinde first.

American professor denied Swiss citizenship
But his would be facilitated naturalisation as he is married to a Swiss person so I don't think they apply the same criteria and the commune isn't actually involved in the decision making.
They are more interested in ascertaining that the marriage is a 'real' one and not just for the purpose of obtaining citizenship.
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No actual period I don't think, but if your gemeinde turned you down then it would not bue wise to try again immediately. You'd need to give it a few more years to intergrate yourself into the gemeinde first.

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The gemeinde don't get a say in Facilitated Naturalisation.

I've never heard of anyone having facilitated naturalisation through marriage refused.
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Re: What happens if my Passport App ist denied?

Ok good news! Then I'm sure it will be a relatively easy (but probably LONG) process. Argh....up to 8 months


I will Call them today to get the form and..... hurry up and wait.


Sorry if this was previously asked, but is there any up to date study material/links to prepare for the interview? I've heard its a pretty broad spectrum of questions they could pick from. I haven't fully looked into this part of the process, so forgive me if it's been already answered. Although It would Change every year....
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Ok good news! Then I'm sure it will be a relatively easy (but probably LONG) process. Argh....up to 8 months
18 months, not 8.

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yup...typo Maximum 8 months would be perfect!
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The gemeinde don't get a say in Facilitated Naturalisation.

I've never heard of anyone having facilitated naturalisation through marriage refused.
Facilitated naturalisation


The decision to grant facilitated naturalisation is in the sole responsibility of the Confederation. The canton in question is first given a hearing and, like the community is question, has a right of appeal. People who want to be naturalised in this way must be integrated into their Swiss environment. In addition, they must comply with the Swiss rule of law, and they must not endanger Switzerland's internal or external security.





From the Official Swiss Government website. Poor translation though, as the original says the Canton and the Commune have the right to veto. In Neuchâtel at least, the Confederation ask the Cantonal Authorities to deal with the application and interview (in French- about culture, integration, financial security, etc) and to report back (as we found out when OH did his a few years back).
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I've never heard of anyone having facilitated naturalisation through marriage refused.
My friend's application for facilitated naturalization was refused.
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.... but wasn't he an American Professor?
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.... but wasn't he an American Professor?
Nope.

Same canton though.
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