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Practical Engineering as a skilled worker

Hi,

I'm a mobile developer, but yet to finish my degree(about a year and a half left).
As far as I know, even despite my experience and my expertise, I must have a degree in order to qualify as a skilled worker. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

But I also studied and finished some years ago Electronic practical engineering in a technological college in Israel (graduated with honors).
Is there any way it could help me with the permit ?

If not, is a "computer science" degree a must? or is b.sc in "Science with emphaysis in Computer Science" would qualify as well? (it's just that it may shorten my studying, since I have the degree in electornics).

I'm rather confused as to how it exactly works( if I can submit a certain degree for visa ,but work in other field, and if just having a B.Sc is enough or it has to contain certain words in it)

thank you very much.
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Re: Practical Engineering as a skilled worker

You can't submit anything to get a permit to live/work here. What you need to find is a job you can do with an employer who's willing to go through the non-EU hiring process outlined here.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

If the employer can prove he can't find a Swiss/EU national who can do the job then he may be able to hire you. If he gets approval from the Swiss authorities then you'll be granted a permit.

And yes, a degree is better than not.

"Cadre, specialists and other qualified employees will be admitted. "Qualified employee" means, first and foremost, people with a degree from a university or institution of higher education as well as several years of professional experience."

It's not an absolute rule, but employers/Swiss authorites are going to be looking for that when deciding whether you're going to be worth it to them.
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Re: Practical Engineering as a skilled worker

Thank you very much for the fast and detailed reply.

If I switch from "B.Sc. Computer Science" to "B.Sc. Science w/ emphasis in Computers" , would that make a difference?

Because for me, if I switch now to "Science w/ ...." degree, I can finish the degree much faster since they recognize my degree in engineering.
The question is, whether it would lower my chances with the visa and job...
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Re: Practical Engineering as a skilled worker

I don't really know, but I think the more important part would be that you (I assume) don't have the "several years" experience to back up your computer science degree. So it seems to me that neither will particularly help you in getting a job here. I would think there are plenty of Swiss/EU national graduates with degrees in this area. Of course if you do have the experience as well then that'll obviously help.

I suggest you look at these job websites and get a feel for what qualifications/skills an employer may be looking for which would fit. Then you can decide whether to change course or not.

www.jobs.ch
www.jobup.ch
www.monster.co.uk (change the location setting to Switzerland - it can be stubborn about changing sometimes so keep at it)
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Re: Practical Engineering as a skilled worker

I do have experience, I'm currently working as a developer. But no,it's not several years...

Anyway, as I understand , Skilled Worker is basically just finding a job beforehand, by yourself, and then the employer needs to explain why he needs you ,etc.
I thought at first that you just apply for a this program before you find a job, and they give you a temporary period to find a job in Switzerland from there.

So it really shouldn't matter what exactly would be written on my degree, as I see it now..

Thank you for clarifying all that.
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Re: Practical Engineering as a skilled worker

No, only EU/EFTA nationals can arrive here without first having an approved job offer in hand. For non-EU's it has to be a job offer that the Swiss authorities have given approval for otherwise you simply don't get a permit.

And don't be so casual about it. It's not going to be easy to get a job here; last year the Swiss reduced the number of non-EU permits available, cutting a 1,000 from each category: now 2,500 B permit and 4,000 L permits. They've also recently voted to curb immigration from the EU too, but are still working out how they can do that and not drop the Free Movement Agreement they have with the EU. It's all adding to the pressure on employers here to hire from within the country people who already have a permit.
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I do have experience, I'm currently working as a developer. But no,it's not several years...

Anyway, as I understand , Skilled Worker is basically just finding a job beforehand, by yourself, and then the employer needs to explain why he needs you ,etc.
I thought at first that you just apply for a this program before you find a job, and they give you a temporary period to find a job in Switzerland from there.

So it really shouldn't matter what exactly would be written on my degree, as I see it now..

Thank you for clarifying all that.
A Swiss law firm, Vischer, says that to qualify for a non-EU "highly qualified" work permit that the prospective employee should have at least a master's degree, professional experience and be paid at least about CHF 100'000 (CHF 8'333 per month). See pdf pp. 11-12:

https://www.vischer.com/fileadmin/us...tzerland_2.pdf

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This Tages-Anzeiger article from February 2014 says that 84% of non-EU work permits are issued to those with university or similar degrees, meaning that 16% of those are issued to non-EU citizens without such degrees. This somewhat contradicts the Vischer law firm statement above that a Masters degree is generally required.

It mentions several other interesting points:
1) Most non-EU work permits are issued to Indians, Americans and Chinese.
2) An agency in Zurich called "Sgier und Partner" handles the applications for around 1/3 of all non-EU applications.
3) Few applications are rejected, according to Sgier and also the governmental BFM (Bundesamt für Migration).

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/23313246

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