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any suggestions for rejection caused by salalry?

Hello everyone,

Two month ago, I got an offer from a company in Laussane and apply the work permit in VAUD. I'm a PhD working in France.

Unfortunately, it was rejected since they think the salary is not high enough for a PhD (they require 105K CHF, while the contract is about 85K).
This job is in fact funded by EU withn a european research project, so, it is impossible to reach 105K...

Do you some suggestions about this situation? I never thought a research position funded by EU will be rejected .... As I know, most of the postdoc in Swiss universities have the similar salary and no problem for them. The only difference is that my position locates in a company and hence much less influence in the government.

Do you have any suggestions about this situation? Thank you very much!

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Old 06.10.2015, 15:27
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Hello everyone,

Two month ago, I got an offer from a company in Laussane and apply the work permit in VAUD. I'm a PhD working in France.

Unfortunately, it was rejected since they think the salary is not high enough for a PhD (they require 105K CHF, while the contract is about 85K).
This job is in fact funded by EU withn a european research project, so, it is impossible to reach 105K...

Do you some suggestions about this situation? I never thought a research position funded by EU will be rejected .... As I know, most of the postdoc in Swiss universities have the similar salary and no problem for them. The only difference is that my position locates in a company and hence much less influence in the government.

Do you have any suggestions about this situation? Thank you very much!

Best regards,
can you get the position as 80% at 85k? i guess as a phd, you will work 140% anyway, so it probably doesn't make a difference to your employer.
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Re: any suggestions for rejection caused by salalry?

hi phil_mcr,

thanks a lot for your reply.

What do you mean by 140%? your suggestion is very useful! the previous contract is 100% and I will ask my boss to see if he want to change it to 801%, thanks for your help!
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Re: any suggestions for rejection caused by salalry?

i mean that phd are normally expected to work way more than their nominal hours.
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haha, that's true!
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hi phil_mcr,

thanks a lot for your reply.

What do you mean by 140%? your suggestion is very useful! the previous contract is 100% and I will ask my boss to see if he want to change it to 801%, thanks for your help!
801% would be an awful lot of work!

Ask them to put 80% in the contract and reapply. Most PhD positions are not 100% anyway but I get the impression that you have already finished your PhD and this is a post-doc position. In which case the salary you've been offered sounds about right to me so I'm not sure what the problem is.
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Re: any suggestions for rejection caused by salalry?

To clarify, is this meant to be a post-doc, or a job for someone holding a PhD?

Either way, the salary seems low for someone with your qualifications.

But anyways, would you somehow be able to channel your funding/salary through a uni? That might help in obtaining a permit.
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yes it is a postdoc in a company... the problem maybe is the company is a startup in laussane, it is too small comparing with EPFL or the other big comanies.

it is called "experienced researcher" funded by Marie Curie foundation, but work in a company, not in a university. Maybe I will try to persuade the boss to put the funding in epfl. Anyway, thank you very much!

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Re: any suggestions for rejection caused by salalry?

The problem is that they have to offer the role to existing locals first, and can only look further afield if there are no local candidates.

One of the things the authorities look for is jobs priced too low to appeal to locals, effectively sidestepping or diluting the point of the first rule.

I can't comment on whether the actual numbers fit, but maybe this helps understand the point. Evidence of equivalent roles at a similar salary may help.

Of course if you can't find similar roles at a similar salary, the company is probably trying it on with you as well as the authorities!

Bear in mind not to think of "salary CHF * exchange rate (0.9) = wow EUR", instead "salary * cost of living (0.65) = hmm EUR" is the way to look at it.
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Re: any suggestions for rejection caused by salalry?

the job is a Marie Curie researcher working in a company. For a Marie Curie fellowship, it is impossible to hire a people locally... The candidate must live in the other EU contries... and that's why I feel so strange that a research position is also rejected...
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the job is a Marie Curie researcher working in a company. For a Marie Curie fellowship, it is impossible to hire a people locally... The candidate must live in the other EU contries... and that's why I feel so strange that a research position is also rejected...
From what I heard the MC fellowship has to be applied by the applicant rather the employer - or I misunderstood?
The salary at 85K is pretty normal for a postdoc, not low at all. It is more likely that the startup is too small to be granted a work permit - afaik, although called postdoc in industries, the permit is considered as the "real" one - unrestricted.

BTW, are you french or non-EU citizen working in France?
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To clarify, is this meant to be a post-doc, or a job for someone holding a PhD?

Either way, the salary seems low for someone with your qualifications.

But anyways, would you somehow be able to channel your funding/salary through a uni? That might help in obtaining a permit.
Good idea! We've done that, due to internal politics and it's worked out very well. You just have to find a professor amenable to "employing" someone they never see. We partially sponsor a PhD student on our prof's lab, so he was quite easy to convince.
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Re: any suggestions for rejection caused by salalry?

I'm a non-EU citizen working in France. Yes, the problem is that the government doesn't take me as a posdoc and refuse the application in the reason of not enough salary...
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