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Work permit/ Tax- where should i apply (Zurich or Bern conton?)

Hi there,

I'm EU national (British) currently on a holiday living in a rented apartment in a village near Biel. My situation changed last week as I received a permanant job contract (which is based in Zurich). I have still not received/signed the hard copy of job contract (I should receive it by early next week). My job contract says that the start date is 1st Nov. That means I need to sort out my registration for work permit etc asap.

Ok.. so far so good. Now the job is based in Zurich and I'm living in Bern conton. That's where the problem starts. I'm not sure where to register. I do not have an address in Zurich yet. I will be searching for a house and move there may be just before the start date or in the mid of Nov.

So I checked with my potential employer's HR (Who seems to have no clue about the migration procedure)..He told me to register at the place where I'm living at the moment and later de-register from Bern and re-register in Zurich as and when I move there. Ok.. to do that I need to produce a rental agreement (which I don't have). The apartment that I live in belongs to a friend. We never did any paper work. I just pay her rent and she asked me to buy a content insurance- which I did and have a copy of that insurance (which I can produce as a proof of address).

I'm ready to take all that trouble. However when I checked the taxation part. Looks like I'm going to be paying 500 CHF a month more If I register in Biel (Bern conton) ! Any idea what will happen when I move to Zurich? Will I still be paying Bern Conton tax? Also would it effect my credit history?

In the Job contract it is mentioned that the employment will be based in Zurich office however I will be required to work from other locations in Switzerland. Do you think Bern conton officials would object to this? Do they consider place of current residence or place of work for registration/issue of work permit?


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Gem
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Re: Work permit/ Tax- where should i apply (Zurich or Bern conton?)

You pay tax where you live and that's also where you register, it doesn't matter where your workplace is based or whether you work in other locations. As said when you move you need you deregister from Bern and re-register in Zurich, the tax thing will get sorted out between the cantons themselves as I assume you'll be taxed at source anyway. What you would need to do is also let your employer know when you've moved so they can change their tax calculations for you. They'll be applying Bern rates initially obviously so you need to tell them so they can switch over to Zurich ones.

Simply draw up a contract between you and your friend. If you're paying her rent then you should have a sub-let contract anyway to protect both of you. I hope she's told her landlord/agency you're living there. He/she/they can't stop her sub-letting, but they are supposed to be notified - otherwise you could both end up being chucked out when they terminate her contract.
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Also would it effect my credit history?
Credit?

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You pay tax where you live and that's also where you register, it doesn't matter where your workplace is based or whether you work in other locations. As said when you move you need you deregister from Bern and re-register in Zurich, the tax thing will get sorted out between the cantons themselves as I assume you'll be taxed at source anyway. What you would need to do is also let your employer know when you've moved so they can change their tax calculations for you. They'll be applying Bern rates initially obviously so you need to tell them so they can switch over to Zurich ones.

Simply draw up a contract between you and your friend. If you're paying her rent then you should have a sub-let contract anyway to protect both of you. I hope she's told her landlord/agency you're living there. He/she/they can't stop her sub-letting, but they are supposed to be notified - otherwise you could both end up being chucked out when they terminate her contract.
Thanks mate.
Actually my friend is the owner of the property and Not subletting. She rented this place for me for initially 3 months. We never discussed about drawing a contract. She would be happy to do it for me, but I really don't want to bother her. She has been helping me a lot and I feel a bit uncomfortable to ask her to do a contract for me. Cause I have already told her about my job situation and that I will be moving to Zurich etc. In fact she started to help me find a place in Zurich I'm kind of lucky to have a friend like her.

Btw is there a specific format for a contract? Should it have to be a fixed term one? Like in UK there are different types of contracts, I'm not sure about Switzerland. Does it have to be in French? She speaks immaculate English but her first language is French. If I decide to do this contract, should I ask her to do it in English? I will be moving to Zurich within a month, so can I ask her to do it till end of Nov? What should I put as start date on the contract ( 21/Aug/2015 day I came here on holiday or 5/Oct/2015 my job contract date)?


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Yes, Credit History.
Since I have got a permanent job in this country. I will be living here for a long time. So obviously I would be applying for credit cards (mortgage? If I decide to buy a house in the future). That means I should plan of building a good credit history. Changing address frequently has a huge impact on the credit history (at least in the UK it is like that).Lenders would be a bit hesitant to give credit to a person who doesn't have a great credit history.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers

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Re: Work permit/ Tax- where should i apply (Zurich or Bern conton?)

I would do it from your job offer as technically if you've been paying her rent since August you're a resident and should have registered as such then.

Here's a template for a sub-let contract.

http://www.ums.ch/media/static/pdfs/contract_en.pdf

Friends or not, you should still have a contract between you. As you said for one thing you need it to register and also if for some reason the friendship turns sour both your rights are covered.
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Yes, Credit History.
Since I have got a permanent job in this country. I will be living here for a long time. So obviously I would be applying for credit cards (mortgage? If I decide to buy a house in the future). That means I should plan of building a good credit history. Changing address frequently has a huge impact on the credit history (at least in the UK it is like that).Lenders would be a bit hesitant to give credit to a person who doesn't have a great credit history.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers
I don't think there is such a thing linked to addresses here, am I wrong? I haven't heard of it.

The Uk address method is BS but that is another debate
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I would do it from your job offer as technically if you've been paying her rent since August you're a resident and should have registered as such then.

Here's a template for a sub-let contract.

http://www.ums.ch/media/static/pdfs/contract_en.pdf

Friends or not, you should still have a contract between you. As you said for one thing you need it to register and also if for some reason the friendship turns sour both your rights are covered.


She is the landlady (owner of the property) and not Subletting it. Is there a different format for direct tenancy contract?
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She is the landlady (owner of the property) and not Subletting it. Is there a different format for direct tenancy contract?
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