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Re: EU b permit

I am facing this L to B permit conversion, and wondering what is the determing factor who they give the B permit to, who they doesn't? is the company size? or how hard your company try?
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Type of contract, salary, company can justify why they can't hire a Swiss/EU national now, whether any B permits are left.
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Type of contract, salary, company can justify why they can't hire a Swiss/EU national now, whether any B permits are left.
I am told there isn't a quota on B permits for EU nationals though, from the canton
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I am told there isn't a quota on B permits for EU nationals though, from the canton
We're not talking of EU nationals. They have no quotas at all. Companies still have to make a case for why after 1/2/whatever years of hiring a non-EU on an L permit they can't now find a Swiss/EU national who could do the job. If they can prove they still can't find a Swiss/EU national then it's likely the non-EU L permit will be changed to a B, subject to whatever other conditions apply and that there are still some B permits left from the non-EU quota.
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I am facing this L to B permit conversion, and wondering what is the determing factor who they give the B permit to, who they doesn't? is the company size? or how hard your company try?
What sort of work contract do you have?
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I am facing this L to B permit conversion, and wondering what is the determing factor who they give the B permit to, who they doesn't? is the company size? or how hard your company try?
According to this Tages-Anzeiger article, one agency in Zurich applies for around 1/3 of the non-EU permits annually and has a claimed rejection rate of about 1%.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/23313246

Just an unsupported opinion: I suspect that the more experience that a company has with the permit application process, the better the chance for success. This probably means that larger companies with experienced staff have a higher probability of success than smaller companies with infrequent experience. To increase the likelihood of success, an inexperienced company might want to use an agency specialized in the permit application process.
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Re: EU b permit

Today I was talking with lady from Imigrations Office. She told me that EU (Italian) person (single, no kids, no partner) needs to work minimum 12 hours per week on unlimited working contract to obtain B permit in Switzerland. Its was Imigration Office in Kanton ZH. Some people on this forum are telling me that this statment is not true. So I dont know, should I believe random people or person who works in Imigrations Office?
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Today I was talking with lady from Imigrations Office. She told me that EU (Italian) person (single, no kids, no partner) needs to work minimum 12 hours per week on unlimited working contract to obtain B permit in Switzerland. Its was Imigration Office in Kanton ZH. Some people on this forum are telling me that this statment is not true. So I dont know, should I believe random people or person who works in Imigrations Office?
Have you applied for your permit already? I don't see how the number of hours really comes into it. Surely it is the salary that may have a influence.
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Have you applied for your permit already? I don't see how the number of hours really comes into it. Surely it is the salary that may have a influence.
Its not for me, I already live here and work. But can you explain me why did she tell me that? To get ride of me or? I dont understan you.
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Old 27.10.2015, 17:51
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But can you explain me why did she tell me that? To get ride of me
Probably, who knows?!
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Probably, who knows?!
Okay I will call tomorow on their phone and ask them why do they lie to people.
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Okay I will call tomorow on their phone and ask them why do they lie to people.
It is not a question of not telling you the truth, it is just that sometimes there can be misunderstandings. You may have misunderstood what she told you, or she may have not given you correct information. We can't know that here.
I for one would be interested to know about any rule concerning the 12 hour per week system you speak of, as I haven't heard about that before.
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Old 27.10.2015, 18:07
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It is not a question of not telling you the truth, it is just that sometimes there can be misunderstandings. You may have misunderstood what she told you, or she may have not given you correct information. We can't know that here.
I for one would be interested to know about any rule concerning the 12 hour per week system you speak of, as I haven't heard about that before.
She also told me that i can work part-time jobs.
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Old 27.10.2015, 18:12
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She also told me that i can work part-time jobs.
Anybody can work part time if they want to.
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Old 27.10.2015, 18:22
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Anybody can work part time if they want to.
This is from the stuff they send me:

• Bei einer Teilzeittätigkeit ist zu prüfen, ob die Arbeitnehmereigenschaft tatsächlich
gegeben ist. Geht aus dem Gesuch hervor, dass die Tätigkeit derart unbedeutend
bzw. dass diese als völlig unwesentlich zu beurteilen ist, liegt keine Arbeitnehmereigenschaft
vor (vgl. auch Ziffer 3.1). Damit von einer Arbeitnehmereigenschaft ausgegangen
werden kann, muss in der Regel ein Arbeitsverhältnis mit einer wöchentlichen
Arbeitszeit von mindestens zwölf Arbeitsstunden eingegangen werden.

• Aufenthaltsbewilligungen EU/EFTA werden für eine Aufenthaltsdauer von fünf Jahren
ausgestellt, sofern eine Einstellungserklärung oder Arbeitsbescheinigung von einem
Jahr oder mehr vorliegt.
• Es besteht berufliche und geographische Mobilität.
• Der Stellenwechsel sowie der Wechsel von einer unselbständigen zu einer selbständigen
Erwerbstätigkeit sind nicht bewilligungs- bzw. meldepflichtig. Für die Einhaltung
der gesundheits- und wirtschaftspolizeilichen Vorschriften oder einer sonstigen Berufsausübungsbewilligung
nach kantonalem oder Bundesrecht ist der Ausländer selber
verantwortlich. Diese ersetzen nicht die ausländerrechtliche Bewilligung.
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This is from the stuff they send me:

• Bei einer Teilzeittätigkeit ist zu prüfen, ob die Arbeitnehmereigenschaft tatsächlich
gegeben ist. Geht aus dem Gesuch hervor, dass die Tätigkeit derart unbedeutend
bzw. dass diese als völlig unwesentlich zu beurteilen ist, liegt keine Arbeitnehmereigenschaft
vor (vgl. auch Ziffer 3.1). Damit von einer Arbeitnehmereigenschaft ausgegangen
werden kann, muss in der Regel ein Arbeitsverhältnis mit einer wöchentlichen
Arbeitszeit von mindestens zwölf Arbeitsstunden eingegangen werden.

• Aufenthaltsbewilligungen EU/EFTA werden für eine Aufenthaltsdauer von fünf Jahren
ausgestellt, sofern eine Einstellungserklärung oder Arbeitsbescheinigung von einem
Jahr oder mehr vorliegt.
• Es besteht berufliche und geographische Mobilität.
• Der Stellenwechsel sowie der Wechsel von einer unselbständigen zu einer selbständigen
Erwerbstätigkeit sind nicht bewilligungs- bzw. meldepflichtig. Für die Einhaltung
der gesundheits- und wirtschaftspolizeilichen Vorschriften oder einer sonstigen Berufsausübungsbewilligung
nach kantonalem oder Bundesrecht ist der Ausländer selber
verantwortlich. Diese ersetzen nicht die ausländerrechtliche Bewilligung.
That's interesting. I haven't come across these rules before. I was under the impression that it is more the salary that counts.
It doesn't really make sense either. On that notion, a huge number of people could move to Switzerland, work 12 hours a week only, have a very low salary and claim benefits to live off immediately.
It doesn't make any sense. What if the person obtaining the permit for just 12 hours a week and a low salary also has a child to support? The state would have to support that child too, via social welfare benefits.

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That's interesting. I haven't come across these rules before. I was under the impression that it is more the salary that counts.
It doesn't really make sense either. On that notion, a huge number of people could move to Switzerland, work 12 hours a week only, have a very low salary and claim benefits to live off immediately.
It doesn't make any sense. What if the person obtaining the permit for just 12 hours a week and a low salary also has a child to support. The state would have to support that child too, via social welfare benefits.
Im sure no one would come here to work for 12 hours only LOL. If you want I can send you this documents she sent me so you can read it. But i think this law is only for one person.
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Im sure no one would come here to work for 12 hours only
I think plenty do come here precisely to do that. With open borders and free movement of persons, workers etc. - there is no limit to what can go on. If what you earn in just 12 - 15 hours for example is not enough to live off, then the rest can be claimed in benefits presumably.
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We're not talking of EU nationals. They have no quotas at all. Companies still have to make a case for why after 1/2/whatever years of hiring a non-EU on an L permit they can't now find a Swiss/EU national who could do the job. If they can prove they still can't find a Swiss/EU national then it's likely the non-EU L permit will be changed to a B, subject to whatever other conditions apply and that there are still some B permits left from the non-EU quota.
But i know two friends employed by one of the big banks got rejected after two years on L permit, even when the company does tried hard to prove they can't find a swiss or EU national to do the job.
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But i know two friends employed by one of the big banks got rejected after two years on L permit, even when the company does tried hard to prove they can't find a swiss or EU national to do the job.
Well thats another cup of tea. Maybe there was ni permits anymore. For EU citizens permits are unlimited.
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