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Is it possible to get b permit online?
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Re: EU b permit

No. You have to apply for a residence permit once you arrive - within 14 days in fact. If you have an employment contract take that along with you. If not then you can just register as a job seeker.
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thanks for your help. Is the registration only in German?
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Re: EU b permit

I've had mixed experience but last time I was at a Kreisburo in Zurich, all I could hear was English at many counters.
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thanks for your help. Is the registration only in German?
Looks like it.

http://www.awa.zh.ch/internet/volksw...kblaetter.html
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thanks for your help. Is the registration only in German?
I applied for my permit in January - all forms were in German, but the lovely women at the counter was translating for me every single field. I am pretty sure you can do it without knowing a word in german. Good luck!
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Re: EU b permit

Back in the day, my whole registration conversation was in English with a very, very friendly Kreisburo employee. That was in Kanton Zurich in 2010, things may or may not be the same.
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Re: EU b permit

the current B permit forms have english so I'm confused
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Go in Kreis Büro from your Canton
- work contract
- passport or ID
- 2 passport photos
- rental agreement
- 85 fr

U can be here freely for 3 month and look for a job but u have to be from EU/EFTA 17 or 8 country to have that right. If u dont get job in that period of 3 months, u can apply for Job seeker permit that lasts 1 year. But to get it u have to have 30000 fr on ur account.

And also in Kreis Burö they speak English.

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to get it u have to have 30000 fr on ur account.
But is that an actual rule? Do they really ask to see the account? Why Fr.30'000.--? Where does that figure come from?
Also I've seen comments on here stating you need Fr.100.-- per day. Which would equate to Fr.9'000.-- for 3 months. Fr.30'000.-- would be 10 months not 12. What are you supposed to do for the other 2 months?
I was under the impression that you simply had to have enough money coming in as earnings (not sitting in an account), so as not to fall below the Existenzminimum (which is a lot lower) and thus end up falling back on state benefits. If you show them one day you have a certain figure in your account to obtain a permit, it is actually meaningless as you could easily spend it the next day on buying a new car. This was an actual remark/counter argument from the foreigners' police when I queried this. I was informed you need at least Fr.1'900.-- coming in as documented income per month to obtain a 1 year B-permit. As far as I am aware that figure (Existenzminimum) has not altered that much in 20 years. Have things changed rule-/requirement-wise?
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- work contract
- passport or ID
- 2 passport photos
- rental agreement
- 85 fr
You only need bother with a work contract if they request it and if you are working. I have never needed one. Moreover I have never been asked for a rental agreement. If you are sharing or if you own your property there is no rental agreement to show.
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But is that an actual rule? Do they really ask to see the account? Why Fr.30'000.--? Where does that figure come from?
Also I've seen comments on here stating you need Fr.100.-- per day. Which would equate to Fr.9'000.-- for 3 months. Fr.30'000.-- would be 10 months not 12. What are you supposed to do for the other 2 months?
I was under the impression that you simply had to have enough money coming in as earnings (not sitting in an account), so as not to fall below the Existenzminimum (which is a lot lower) and thus end up falling back on state benefits. If you show them one day you have a certain figure in your account to obtain a permit, it is actually meaningless as you could easily spend it the next day on buying a new car. This was an actual remark/counter argument from the foreigners' police when I queried this. I was informed you need at least Fr.1'900.-- coming in as documented income per month to obtain a 1 year B-permit. As far as I am aware that figure (Existenzminimum) has not altered that much in 20 years. Have things changed rule-/requirement-wise?
You only need bother with a work contract if they request it and if you are working. I have never needed one. Moreover I have never been asked for a rental agreement. If you are sharing or if you own your property there is no rental agreement to show.
What did I tell now? Why would he go and apply himself for a permit if he has no job yet, but he can stay here for 3 months wihouth applying? If he goes and apply WITHOUT WORK CONTRACT he has to show them that he has a 30000 chf on his account to get JOB SEEKER PERMIT. Why would he go and apply if he can be here 3 months without applying. He can only apply right now if he has a job, if not, there is not need to for the first 3 months. Also they told me to bring rental agreement. They didnt ask do i live alone or not, they just told me to bring it. So they can apply me on that adress. Also when you get a job and you will go to apply for permit. First make a HEALTH INSURANCE, tell people in your insurance that you will send them a copy of your permit when you get it. Otherwise, your cantonal authoritys will make you insurance on their own. And you dont want that. In every Kreis Buro they ask to bring rental agreement. Im Italian citizen, so that is how it was for me.
And important thing also, you have to have at least 3000 fr per month to get a permit.

Job seeker permit is for 1 year. So you have to have 100 fr per day. For one year. But what im trying to say is, YOU DONT HAVE TO APPLY ANYWHERE FOR THE FIRST 3 MONTHS OF YOUR ARRIVAL. You need to apply IF YOU DONT GET A JOB IN PERIOD OF THAT 3 MONTHS. And if you dont get a job in first 3 months, you go and apply for JOB SEEKERS PERMIT, but you will only get it if you have on your account 100 fr every day for 12 months. You cant get that permit for 3 months. It goes only for 1 year.

This law that u need to have at least 3000 fr per months when you get a job is made this year. Because it was to much people living on social help. People from Germany would come here and live on social help.

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What did I tell now? Why would he go and apply himself for a permit if he has no job yet, but he can stay here for 3 months wihouth applying? If he goes and apply WITHOUT WORK CONTRACT he has to show them that he has a 30000 chf on his account to get JOB SEEKER PERMIT. Why would he go and apply if he can be here 3 months without applying. He can only apply right now if he has a job, if not, there is not need to for the first 3 months. Also they told me to bring rental agreement. They didnt ask do i live alone or not, they just told me to bring it. So they can apply me on that adress. Also when you get a job and you will go to apply for permit. First make a HEALTH INSURANCE, tell people in your insurance that you will send them a copy of your permit when you get it. Otherwise, your cantonal authoritys will make you insurance on their own. And you dont want that. In every Kreis Buro they ask to bring rental agreement. Im Italian citizen, so that is how it was for me.
And important thing also, you have to have at least 3000 fr per month to get a permit.
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Job seeker permit is for 1 year. So you have to have 100 fr per day. For one year. But what im trying to say is, YOU DONT HAVE TO APPLY ANYWHERE FOR THE FIRST 3 MONTHS OF YOUR ARRIVAL. You need to apply IF YOU DONT GET A JOB IN PERIOD OF THAT 3 MONTHS. And if you dont get a job in first 3 months, you go and apply for JOB SEEKERS PERMIT, but you will only get it if you have on your account 100 fr every day for 12 months. You cant get that permit for 3 months. It goes only for 1 year.
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This law that u need to have at least 3000 fr per months when you get a job is made this year. Because it was to much people living on social help. People from Germany would come here and live on social help.
Sorry, since I had not heard that figure before, I was merely enquiring about the figure you mentioned: Fr.30'000.--, where that comes from (source) and the method you have to employ to prove you have that coming in per month. I didn't know that that was the new way of proving you can survive here, for contrary to that I was told that having money in an account is meaningless, since the account is not blocked in any way and the money can be spent the day after you apply for the permit.
I was not concerned at all when the person was registering or whether they were indeed registering at all!
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Sorry, since I had not heard that figure before, I was merely enquiring about the figure you mentioned: Fr.30'000.--, where that comes from (source) and the method you have to employ to prove you have that coming in per month. I didn't know that that was the new way of proving you can survive here, for contrary to that I was told that having money in an account is meaningless, since the account is not blocked in any way and the money can be spent the day after you apply for the permit.
I was not concerned at all when the person was registering or whether they were indeed registering at all!
Omg I cant even. Im just gona say..omg.
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Omg I cant even. Im just gona say..omg.
Not quite sure what that is meant to signify, nor the exact meaning of your multiple posts in succession, nor the 3 month issue mentioned therein for that matter!
Basic info was already made clear by another user: EU b permit
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Re: EU b permit

Sorry, but that's wrong FrankSinatra.

"Do I have to secure employment in Switzerland before entering the country or may I look for work once I am in Switzerland?

EU-27/EFTA nationals may enter Switzerland for job-seeking purposes. No permit is required for stays of up to three months. If no job can be found within this time, the appropriate local or cantonal authorities will grant a short-term residence permit (type L permit) valid for another three months’ job search. If after this period your job search has remained unsuccessful, you may request for your short-term residence permit to be extended. Extensions are granted up to one year."

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...hweiz/faq.html

So no need to show such a high figure. The general figure to work to (which I have seen on the FOM website, but can't find now) is CHF100 a day so around CHF3,000 a month average is what the authorities would be looking for. If you can't find work in the initial 3 month job hunting period then the L permit will only be issued if you can prove you have sufficient funds to support yourself for the next 3 months. If you need to extend again the same criteria will apply. Until recently the financial side wasn't always that important, but things changed in April this year.

"Conditions for obtaining a short term residence permit with a view to seeking employment in Switzerland

Since 1 April 2015, citizens of European Union (EU) or European Free Trade Association (EFTA) countries seeking employment in Switzerland can only obtain a residence permit if they have sufficient funds to support themselves."

https://www.ch.ch/en/working-switzerland-eu-efta/

The figure of CHF100 is a general one, usually you'll just see the phrase "sufficient funds to support themselves". This is because of the differences in costs between the cantons. CHF3,000 a month may be quite a tight sum to work to in Zurich for example so they may want to see more than that.
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Re: EU b permit

So from April 2015 they have now started accepting bank statements as proof of means to support oneself I assume.
This is a complete policy turnaround then, as I was specifically told by the foreigners' police that this was not a valid form of proof of means of financing one's stay in any way (since, as they rightly pointed out, the account is not blocked and the money could be withdrawn and spent the day after applying for the permit and the account's balance thus was meaningless)! Things have definitely changed a lot since I arrived.
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I think it's all a knock-on effect from the curb immigration vote last year. Rules which were applied loosely are now much more strictly enforced.
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So from April 2015 they have now started accepting bank statements as proof of means to support oneself I assume.
This is a complete policy turnaround then, as I was specifically told by the foreigners' police that this was not a valid form of proof of means of financing one's stay in any way (since, as they rightly pointed out, the account is not blocked and the money could be withdrawn and spent the day after applying for the permit and the account's balance thus was meaningless)! Things have definitely changed a lot since I arrived.
I am told the same for using savings as any proof of anything, you could go blow it tomorrow
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Re: EU b permit

Yes, that's true. But as you wouldn't qualify for any financial help if you did blow it I guess the Swiss aren't particularly worried. After all the only person you'd be hurting would be yourself. If you're renting a place your deposit is held in a special account so if you defaulted the landlord would get that as compensation.
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Re: EU b permit

It looks like just a simple safety measure put into place to ensure that there really are funds there and that the job seeker is serious/genuine. It's not 100% secure but it is something. Also probably the figures used are to discourage people from coming here with less than that, very little or nothing.

I doubt there are absolutely masses of people arriving here with little or nothing and then immediately claiming or trying to claim some sort of benefits or welfare in any case!

But again here, I don't understand where Fr.100.--/day or approx. Fr.3'000.--/month come into it, since you have to have a lot less than that available per month (usually as income, not as assets) to qualify for social welfare in any case. I was told it was around Fr.1'900.-- per month (for a single person living alone), above that, you don't get anything as you are deemed to have enough to live off (above the 'Existenzminimum').
In fact the calculation (for granting a permit to someone who has found a job at least) is usually based on whether the job provides enough money (more than Fr.1'900.--/month) for that person to live off and (albeit hypothetically) to keep them off Ergänzungsleistungen if for example they were to be later in receipt of a state pension (be it disability or old age), so presumably if the prospective job brings in less, the permit won't be granted as the income is too low and Switzerland risks having to pay social welfare to make up the difference!

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