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When do you stop being a regular visitor and start being a resident?

I have read the forum extensively, but can't find the answer to this question: when am I officially considered to have moved/be living in Switzerland?
Stadt Zurich site says;

"GrŁezi" and Welcome in the City of Zurich.
Please report your change of residence in person within 14 days of arrival in the district office of your residential district.

But. I live in the UK. I travel here from there on Mondays, return on Fridays. My wife lives in the UK. Every few weeks, she instead comes out here at the weekend to save me the flying. Which means I might stay here two or three weeks at a time.

I have a flat provided by the company (borrowed from another employee who works now in London).

I have an initial 90 day work permit and we're looking to renew. Counted as days at midnight in country, that gives about 4 months working time.

So should I have already registered? When should I register? What happens if, when I do go to register, the state deems I should have registered a month ago (been coming here six weeks or so now).

Any thoughts or advice welcome.

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Old 17.10.2015, 10:54
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Re: When do you stop being a regular visitor and start being a resident?

I think the word for you (the polite one anyway) is 'Wochenaufenthalter'. The catch is that Swiss law on the subject was probably written (on clay blocks) when folk with this 'title' came over the border on a horse or on foot. They stayed to work in Switzerland for a week to work and had to go home at the weekend. Their main 'residence' the 'centre of their existance, family and free-time home' was in the other country.
Now that we have folk flying in for a week and occasionally staying here over the weekend, it mucks the whole thing up. Being Swiss Authorities, their main worry seems to be not where you are living but where you are paying your taxes anyway. http://www.wochenaufenthalt.info/

Mr Longbyt did a similar weekly trip from England to Switzerland for three months many years ago, but he didn't ever stay here over the weekend. He certainly didn't register here but maybe he should have done. Fortunately you don't know his name so no whistle blowing. (He had to pay his taxes anyway).
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Re: When do you stop being a regular visitor and start being a resident?

As far as I know, if during a 12 month (consecutive) period, you live more than half the time here, you need to register with authorities. (that is roughly 180 days per year)
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Re: When do you stop being a regular visitor and start being a resident?

from 'Das Portal der Schweizer Regierung' (Sounds nice and official. And it is!)
I think this is the relevant Admin paragraph. Art. 16
You have to register within 14 days if the situation continues for more than 3 months.
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Old 17.10.2015, 11:19
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Re: When do you stop being a regular visitor and start being a resident?

Do you have a work permit, or did you just register that allows you to work for upto 90 days in the year.

If you really had a permit you would have had to register to get it in the first place.

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I have read the forum extensively, but can't find the answer to this question: when am I officially considered to have moved/be living in Switzerland?
Stadt Zurich site says;

"GrŁezi" and Welcome in the City of Zurich.
Please report your change of residence in person within 14 days of arrival in the district office of your residential district.

But. I live in the UK. I travel here from there on Mondays, return on Fridays. My wife lives in the UK. Every few weeks, she instead comes out here at the weekend to save me the flying. Which means I might stay here two or three weeks at a time.

I have a flat provided by the company (borrowed from another employee who works now in London).

I have an initial 90 day work permit and we're looking to renew. Counted as days at midnight in country, that gives about 4 months working time.

So should I have already registered? When should I register? What happens if, when I do go to register, the state deems I should have registered a month ago (been coming here six weeks or so now).

Any thoughts or advice welcome.

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Re: When do you stop being a regular visitor and start being a resident?

Thanks for all the advice so far.

I have a proper permit (or so I'm told) but it was all done for me by the company before I arrived. So not entirely sure what was registered, where. I am a consultant, not an employee at the moment.

The "register within three months if it continues" sounds likely and fair. But so far I have learnt that what seems that way to Brits isn't beaurocratic enough for der Schweitz.

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But so far I have learnt that what seems that way to Brits isn't beaurocratic enough for der Schweitz.
You've got them sorted already!
By the way, 'die Schweiz' (sic) is female which accounts for the fact that she cannot make up her mind. She has very strict rules but ten thousand variations. If you move down the road you'll probably have to register after three months minus two days and only if it rains.
I like 'beaurocratic' by the way. For female Switzerland would it be Bellerocratic?
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Thanks for all the advice so far.

I have a proper permit (or so I'm told) but it was all done for me by the company before I arrived. So not entirely sure what was registered, where. I am a consultant, not an employee at the moment.

The "register within three months if it continues" sounds likely and fair. But so far I have learnt that what seems that way to Brits isn't beaurocratic enough for der Schweitz.

I don't think you have a permit at all, if you did it would be in your hand. Permit are done by you, not the company if your from the EU.

I believe the company registered you for unto 90 days in a year. Such an arrangement is limited to 90 days in 1 year. It's not normal for a 3 month term but for Ad Hoc days over the year. Less than 8 days a year & no registration required in most cases.

If you have a work contract you should register & get a permit, you may get a fine for failing to register if your contract started some time ago.
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I don't think you have a permit at all, if you did it would be in your hand. Permit are done by you, not the company if your from the EU.

I believe the company registered you for unto 90 days in a year. Such an arrangement is limited to 90 days in 1 year. It's not normal for a 3 month term but for Ad Hoc days over the year. Less than 8 days a year & no registration required in most cases.

If you have a work contract you should register & get a permit, you may get a fine for failing to register if your contract started some time ago.


In fact, the application for a permit can be put in by the employer, as long as the employer and the employee have collected all the data together. You may have signed the application for a permit, some time earlier in the negotiation, without realising it. However, I agree with this part of what fatmanfilms writes: that if you had a permit, it should be in your hand.


If I were in your position, I would ask at both the place you work in Switzerland and the agency that sent you, from the UK, for copies of all the documentation they have on file, about you and your permit status. I know of a case in which the relevant government department sent the permit to the employer, and there it was accidentally merely filed away in the staff dossier of the employee, who, poor man, was anxiously waiting and waiting to know what his status was.
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I know of a case in which the relevant government department sent the permit to the employer, and there it was accidentally merely filed away in the staff dossier of the employee, who, poor man, was anxiously waiting and waiting to know what his status was.
I'd forgotten about it (over 40 years ago!) but my boss put mine away in his safe. I kept complaining to folk at the council offices that I hadn't got it until they said that my employer MUST have received it by now. So I had to go on at him until he remembered where he had put it. Patience wasn't my middle name then either.
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Re: When do you stop being a regular visitor and start being a resident?

I did sign the forms, and I believe the permit is in a folder at the office.

We originally applied for 180 days and they turned it down.

As you say, Longbyt, the rules are there but can change at any time. What seems weird to me is not that there are rules; it is that the rules seem to be not obviously advised to the uninitiated. Break them and you get fined. But where's the notice telling me that?

So when I find the permit how do I know it's the same/right permit as the one from the local office? I'm not sure it has the flat address on as I wasn't there when we applied, so I might be registered at the office address.

Thanks again for all the help.
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I did sign the forms, and I believe the permit is in a folder at the office.
We originally applied for 180 days and they turned it down.
As you say, Longbyt, the rules are there but can change at any time. What seems weird to me is not that there are rules; it is that the rules seem to be not obviously advised to the uninitiated. Break them and you get fined. But where's the notice telling me that?
So when I find the permit how do I know it's the same/right permit as the one from the local office? I'm not sure it has the flat address on as I wasn't there when we applied, so I might be registered at the office address.
Thanks again for all the help.
I don't see that you are going to have a problem since each time you come in and out your passport is not stamped, so there is no proof whatsoever that you have been here for any length of time... you could be here for months, years even without anyone knowing about it...
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I did sign the forms, and I believe the permit is in a folder at the office.

We originally applied for 180 days and they turned it down.
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So when I find the permit how do I know it's the same/right permit as the one from the local office? I'm not sure it has the flat address on as I wasn't there when we applied, so I might be registered at the office address.

Thanks again for all the help.
If your employer has the permit, you could either just accept that that's the one, and be sure to fulfil its rules, or you could go down to the relevant permit office and check that this is the one you need. In any case you are supposed to register any change of address.
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I don't see that you are going to have a problem since each time you come in and out your passport is not stamped, so there is no proof whatsoever that you have been here for any length of time... you could be here for months, years even without anyone knowing about it...
If he's actually got a permit they will.

First step would be to clarify with his employer exactly what permit he has.
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First step would be to clarify with his employer exactly what permit he has.
True, as it is really not clear at present what is going on there!
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Re: When do you stop being a regular visitor and start being a resident?

The person who sorted the permit for me is currently on holiday, but when she's back in I will get hold of it and ask more questions.

It was me wondering and her not being here to ask which prompted my turning to this esteemed forum!

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