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Really?! Do you know perchance how much one has to earn/have as income less than to qualify for social welfare? I was told Fr.1'900.--, barely up from Fr.1'800.-- around 20 years ago in the mid 90s.
Moreover I was told that it is the exact same figure which is used for permit applications and that the permit is not granted if the total income (for one single person, no children) is less than Fr.1'900.-- per month!
The same figure is again also supposed to be used to calculate if one is entitled to Ergänzungsleistungen (EL/PC) on top of a small disability or old-age pension. Below Fr.1'900.-- monthly one qualifies, above that monthly one generally receives nothing.
Except you are forgetting other types of aid. Housing supplements in Vaud start at 2750f a month for a single person. There are also supplements for health insurance. Anyone making under 40k a year can get money towards health insurance premiums. Never mind the fact the the Swiss authorities are also looking at contracts to see that the salaries are in line with the average. They don't love to see 'salary dumping '.

So I wouldn't be surprised that the authorities would like to see new comers are making around the 3000f mark.

Anyway, the only people to decide for the OPs friend are the authorities in her commune.

Let us know what happens, Frankie.
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Except you are forgetting other types of aid. Housing supplements in Vaud start at 2750f a month for a single person. There are also supplements for health insurance. Anyone making under 40k a year can get money towards health insurance premiums. Never mind the fact the the Swiss authorities are also looking at contracts to see that the salaries are in line with the average.

So I wouldn't be surprised that the authorities would like to see new comers are making around the 3000f mark.

Anyway, the only people to decide for the OPs friend are the authorities in her commune.

Let us know what happens, Frankie.
Hey Frankie I heard also that is 3000 fr is min what salary should be. But I think person who works about 110% and haves 4500-4800 fr per month is good salary. Plus she is alone, no kids no partner.
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No, but that doesn't mean 4500 a month for 60 hours of work is reasonable by Swiss standards, unless maybe it's realllllly menial work. Everyone I know (including myself) who has worked in the food service industry (including at McDo), in childcare, or housecleaning here has earned a better wage than what the OP is being offered.
Right! It is not reasonable. It is up to the OP's friend however if she is prepared to work for that amount. The employers in question are probably not breaking any law by paying such wages.
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Never mind the fact the the Swiss authorities are also looking at contracts to see that the salaries are in line with the average. They don't love to see 'salary dumping '.

Anyway, the only people to decide for the OPs friend are the authorities in her commune.
The problem is though, salary dumping clearly does go on. You can find 100% jobs that still pay less than Fr.3'000.-- per month and they are legal, since there is no national minimum wage.

It will ultimately be the cantonal migration authorities who decide whether a permit is granted, as the Gemeinde only forwards any application to the canton.

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Old 24.10.2015, 17:22
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The problem is though, salary dumping clearly does go on. You can find 100% jobs that still pay less than Fr.3'000.-- per month and they are legal, since there is no national minimum wage.
Of course it does.... Otherwise we would be hearing about it in the news and there wouldn't be backlash about it. There is no minimum wage. A Swiss person can work for 1f an hour if they want. Someone needing a permit... Not so much.



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Exactly what I just said. And hopefully Frankie will give us an update on his friends application. My point however was that you can already start getting social financial help way over your 1900f figure. Not a great idea though as again your permit could be in jeopardy upon renewal. You just have to read some of the treads here to know that. I remember on thread about someone's permit being reconsidered on renewal because they were collecting health insurance subsidies that were 'offered to him' by the authorities.
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Of course it does.... Otherwise we would be hearing about it in the news and there wouldn't be backlash about it. There is no minimum wage. A Swiss person can work for 1f an hour if they want. Someone needing a permit... Not so much.





Exactly what I just said. And hopefully Frankie will give us an update on his friends application. My point however was that you can already start getting social financial help way over your 1900f figure. Not a great idea though as again your permit could be in jeopardy upon renewal. You just have to read some of the treads here to know that. I remember on thread about someone's permit being reconsidered on renewal because they were collecting health insurance subsidies that were 'offered to him' by the authorities.
Hey Frankie is a SHE not HE hahah
Well I really hope she will get permit, 4800 fr is more than enough for one person. People who work in Migros for working 100% get 3500 fr.
I think people on B permit lose their permit if they are on social.
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Hey Frankie is a SHE not HE hahah
Well I really hope she will get permit, 4800 fr is more than enough for one person. People who work in Migros for working 100% get 3500 fr.
I think people on B permit lose their permit if they are on social.
wait? You're a female?
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Hey Frankie is a SHE not HE hahah
Well I really hope she will get permit, 4800 fr is more than enough for one person. People who work in Migros for working 100% get 3500 fr.
I think people on B permit lose their permit if they are on social.
They may lose it when they try to renew it and are on some sort of welfare/benefit.
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wait? You're a female?
Yes i told that many times but no one cares haha lol
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Yes i told that many times but no one cares haha lol
Lol! Sorry For my sexist assumption based on your choice of user name. Of course 'Frank Sinatra' could be female! Why not?

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Lol! Sorry For my sexist assumption based on your choice of user name. Of course 'Frank Sinatra' could be female! Why not?

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Maybe its because i say here very often " my girlfriend " so everyone decidet that im a guy
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Maybe its because i say here very often " my girlfriend " so everyone decidet that im a guy
Great. Frank is a girl. And has a girlfriend. And the clocks went back. And I work up at 6.30. I feel like the whole world is collapsing around me.
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Great. Frank is a girl. And has a girlfriend. And the clocks went back. And I work up at 6.30. I feel like the whole world is collapsing around me.

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Re: B permit

I was asking a lady in imigrations office. What is the minimum salary that should be for obtaining B permit. She told me that I need to work more than 12 hours per week to get it. She didnt say anything about how much your salary needs to be. She just said minimum 12 hours per week.
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I was asking a lady in imigrations office. What is the minimum salary that should be for obtaining B permit. She didnt tell me anything about it and just told me that I need to have contract who is more than 12 month. And thats all.
But if that is true, one could only work 20% for let's say approx. Fr.1'000.-- per month (on an indefinite contract or a contract with a definite duration of more than one year) and claim the rest you need each month to live off in state welfare benefits.
What you are saying she told you doesn't make sense.

As mentioned before, I was told that the minimum income required to obtain a permit, whether L or B it doesn't matter, is Fr.1'900.--, - since it is only under this amount you could claim social welfare benefits.
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But if that is true, one could only work 20% for let's say approx. Fr.1'000.-- per month (on an indefinite contract or a contract with a definite duration of more than one year) and claim the rest you need each month to live off in state welfare benefits.
What you are saying she told you doesn't make sense.

As mentioned before, I was told that the minimum income required to obtain a permit, whether L or B it doesn't matter, is Fr.1'900.--, - since it is only under this amount you could claim social welfare benefits.
She told me this :

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Eine B-Bewilligung kann erteilt werden, sobald Sie einen Arbeitsvertrag mit über 12 Wochenarbeitsstunden und unbestimmter Dauer vorlegen können.

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She told me this :

Sehr geehrter Frau Monteleone

Eine B-Bewilligung kann erteilt werden, sobald Sie einen Arbeitsvertrag mit über 12 Wochenarbeitsstunden und unbestimmter Dauer vorlegen können.

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Interesting.
On that notion, a huge number of people could move to Switzerland, work 12 hours a week only, have a very low salary and claim benefits to live off immediately.
It doesn't make any sense. What if the person obtaining the permit for just 12 hours a week and a low salary also has a child to support. The state would have to support that child too, via social welfare benefits.
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Interesting.
On that notion, a huge number of people could move to Switzerland, work 12 hours a week only, have a very low salary and claim benefits to live off immediately.
It doesn't make any sense. What if the person obtaining the permit for just 12 hours a week and a low salary also has a child to support. The state would have to support that child too, via social welfare benefits.
I really dont know. She told me that when I asked her that by email. But with B permit you CANT CLAIM SOCIAL RIGHTS. They will take your permit, and send you back home. You can only claim social rights with C Auslenderausweis. I asked her about single person without children and partner. And she said 12 per week minimum. Maybe that is only for single person. And I think here in Switzerland is forbiden to give someone for full work job under 15 chf per hour.
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I really dont know. She told me that when I asked her that by email. But with B permit you CANT CLAIM SOCIAL RIGHTS. They will take your permit, and send you back home. You can only claim social rights with C Auslenderausweis. I asked her about single person without children and partner. And she said 12 per week minimum. Maybe that is only for single person.
Not true. You can claim social welfare benefits on a B-permit. The rescinding of the permit is not automatic.
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And I think here in Switzerland is forbiden to give someone for full work job under 15 chf per hour.
As far as I know, there is no legal minimum wage.
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Not true. You can claim social welfare benefits on a B-permit. The rescinding of the permit is not automatic.
I asked only for single person. Maybe that is a rule for single person.



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