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Is it possible for Eu national to get permit with 2 work contracts? Total amount would be 5000 fr per month.
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Old 23.10.2015, 21:41
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Re: B permit

Probably, there's no salary limit for EU's as far as I know, though of course the Swiss will want to know you earn enough by their reckoning to support yourself. May be that they'll be looking for one contract to be for at least 50% of the time too.
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Probably, there's no salary limit for EU's as far as I know, though of course the Swiss will want to know you earn enough by their reckoning to support yourself. May be that they'll be looking for one contract to be for at least 50% of the time too.
One of contract would be 70-80% and other 60-70%. So it would be around 4500-5000 fr per month. I think its very good salary and you can support yourself.
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Is it possible for Eu national to get permit with 2 work contracts? Total amount would be 5000 fr per month.
Yes it is possible. There is no limit to how many jobs you can have.
It might be possible to obtain the permit even with just one of those jobs if the salary of one of the two is high enough to live off for one person.
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Yes it is possible. There is no limit to how many jobs you can have.
It might be possible to obtain the permit even with just one of those jobs if the salary of one of the two is high enough to live off for one person.
Yes but one job is 2800fr and other 2000fr, but non off these job are for some comapy on something. One is for 1 year and other is with no limit. Since the person lives in apatments with few other person, she doesnt need to pay anything expect her insurance all other costs for her need. Apartmen and other stuff is payed by her sibilings. Do you thing that imigration also looks that? So she has no other costs expect her insurance.
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Yes but one job is 2800fr and other 2000fr, but non off these job are for some comapy on something. One is for 1 year and other is with no limit. Since the person lives in apatments with few other person, she doesnt need to pay anything expect her insurance all other costs for her need. Apartmen and other stuff is payed by her sibilings. Do you thing that imigration also looks that? So she has no other costs expect her insurance.
I don't think that immigration will take those factors into consideration.
Nonetheless it should not matter as the salaries are high enough. Even one of them alone in theory is high enough.
I was under the impression that a permit will not be granted if the salary (or total of the salaries) is lower than Fr.1'900.-- per month.
Anything above that, should mean the granting of a permit.
(The percentage(s) of the job(s) is/are completely irrelevant.)
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I don't think that immigration will take those factors into consideration.
Nonetheless it should not matter as the salaries are high enough. Even one of them alone in theory is high enough.
I was under the impression that a permit will not be granted if the salary (or total of the salaries) is lower than Fr.1'900.-- per month.
Anything above that, should mean the granting of a permit.
(The percentage(s) of the job(s) is/are completely irrelevant.)
I dont know Plumtree I heard that you need to have 3000 per month since this year 2015, because it was a lot of people who would take social help and live of it. And Swiss dont want to deal with it.
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I dont know Plumtree I heard that you need to have 3000 per month since this year 2015, because it was a lot of people who would take social help and live of it. And Swiss dont want to deal with it.
A single person would surely only qualify for social welfare benefit however if their income dropped below Fr.2'000.-- per month (for one single person with no dependant children).

I am really not sure where the figure of Fr.3'000.-- actually comes from/or if it is an official figure for permit procedures.

Also access to social welfare benefit would only commence once any unemployment benefit has been totally exhausted.
One of the forms that the social welfare office require for the application for benefits is a form that the unemployment office fills in confirming that the individual is either not entitled to unemployment benefit, or that the individual has exhausted her/his unemployment benefit already. I know this since although I have never personally been on social welfare benefit, I did once apply for it. It was at that moment that I found out unexpectedly that I had some entitlement to unemployment benefit and thus did not even need/did not qualify for social welfare!

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Old 24.10.2015, 11:58
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A single person would surely only qualify for social welfare benefit however if their income dropped below Fr.2'000.-- per month (for one single person with no dependant children).

I am really not sure where the figure of Fr.3'000.-- actually comes from/or if it is an official figure for permit procedures.

I believe the figure is 100 chf per day for a single person which equates to approximately 3000chf per month.

The authorities will want to make sure that there will be sufficient income and will be looking for permanent contracts rather than short term ones before they issue a B permit. She may get an L permit initially.
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Re: B permit

One contracts is for unlimited work and other for more than one year.
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I believe the figure is 100 chf per day for a single person which equates to approximately 3000chf per month.

The authorities will want to make sure that there will be sufficient income and will be looking for permanent contracts rather than short term ones before they issue a B permit. She may get an L permit initially.
But isn't that figure of Fr.100.-- per day just for job-seekers?

In this case, a job, or better still 2 jobs, has/have apparently already been found.
In my experience the permit can be granted on the basis of either of those jobs (salary (or total of salaries) not below Fr.1'900.--), though naturally the application for the permit on the basis of the job with the higher salary would be preferable.
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One contracts is for unlimited work and other for more than one year.
In this case, even better, a B-permit should be granted as the contract is 'unlimited'!
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Re: B permit

Yes jobs are already aranged, buz we just wanted to make sure than she can get permit like that. You know i already work but i love helping my friends that search for job.
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Old 24.10.2015, 12:23
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One of contract would be 70-80% and other 60-70%. So it would be around 4500-5000 fr per month. I think its very good salary and you can support yourself.
Do the authorities allow contracts totaling more than a certain percentage? I thought I saw a thread recently where you're only allowed to work X percent or maybe a max of hours per day/week. I seem to recall 130% was mentioned, but I can't find the thread.

Medea, help me out? I think you were on that thread...
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Do the authorities allow contracts totaling more than a certain percentage? I thought I saw a thread recently where you're only allowed to work X percent or maybe a max of hours per day/week. I seem to recall 130% was mentioned, but I can't find the thread.

Medea, help me out? I think you were on that thread...
It might not even be relevant as the permit could be granted on the basis of just one job. Thereafter if someone wants to take on a second, third or fourth job, it is entirely up to the individual!
You can be on three 100% contracts simultaneously, if you can juggle the work. I personally have only known cases of up to 150%. One had a combination of 90% and 60%, which with shift work is easily possible.
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One of contract would be 70-80% and other 60-70%. So it would be around 4500-5000 fr per month. I think its very good salary and you can support yourself.
For working 150% of full-time, 4500 a month is a joke. Are you sure you're being offered fair deals?
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For working 150% of full-time, 4500 a month is a joke. Are you sure you're being offered fair deals?
But is there actually a legal minimum wage?
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But is there actually a legal minimum wage?
No, but that doesn't mean 4500 a month for 60 hours of work is reasonable by Swiss standards, unless maybe it's realllllly menial work. Everyone I know (including myself) who has worked in the food service industry (including at McDo), in childcare, or housecleaning here has earned a better wage than what the OP is being offered.
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But isn't that figure of Fr.100.-- per day just for job-seekers?

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I don't think so. It's also used when applying for family reunification so I don't see why it wouldn't be used under other circumstances too.

If a job seeker is deemed to need 100chf per day to live on why would a permenant resident need less? Even social help which is supposed to be the bare minimum to exist on is more than 1900chf per month.
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I don't think so. It's also used when applying for family reunification so I don't see why it wouldn't be used under other circumstances too.
If a job seeker is deemed to need 100chf per day to live on why would a permanent resident need less? Even social help which is supposed to be the bare minimum to exist on is more than 1900chf per month.
Really?! Do you know perchance how much one has to earn/have as income less than to qualify for social welfare? I was told Fr.1'900.--, barely up from Fr.1'800.-- around 20 years ago in the mid 90s.
Moreover I was told that it is the exact same figure which is used for permit applications and that the permit is not granted if the total income (for one single person, no children) is less than Fr.1'900.-- per month!
The same figure is again also supposed to be used to calculate if one is entitled to Ergänzungsleistungen (EL/PC) on top of a small disability or old-age pension. Below Fr.1'900.-- monthly one qualifies, above that monthly one generally receives nothing.
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I was just saying like that in %. But she would work about 10-11 hours per day. She would go everyday Monday to Friday work 4 hours to one job and other to 5-6 hours. I dont know how much is it in %. But no contract would be per hour salary, its all monthly salary. So job where she would work 5 days per week for 20 hours she would get 2000 and other maybe she would work 30 hours she would get 2500-2800. And its work with kids, kindergarten, spielgruppe.

And she is alone, no kids no partner.

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