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¨Hi all,

I was wondering if any of you heard about this- we met a guy at a party last time and he's outside EU (canadian). he said to be careful when you move cantons because he used to have a B permit for two years in canton Luzern and then he moved to geneva and the new canton officer only gave him an L
His new job contract was also permanent, but he only got the L. he told us that some cantons are more open to expats than others and that it depends on the officer who handles your request.

This seemed a bit strange, and because we might move from canton zug to zurich, my boyfriend who is a non eu (US citizen, thinks that his B permit could become an L (FYI he would stay with same company on a permanent job

any thoughts about that ? is this true..hope not, it would be stupid

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Re: Weird change permit B turned to L ...

Could just be that there were no B permits left for this year so he got an L by default.
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Re: Weird change permit B turned to L ...

While most non-EU permits seem to transfer (assuming employed and a good taxpayer, etc.) I know one person this happened to.

Essentially, permits are issued by the canton; for non EU, changing cantons at least theoretically might mean new rules or conditions.

A further bit of info:

We have C permits, non EU, issued long ago before the various cantonal language requirements came in. Some years ago were were thinking of moving to another canton and were told by Einwohnerkontrolle in the new Gemeinde that an automatic transfer of our existing C permits to the new canton could not be guaranteed, that we would have to meet the new canton's language requirements.

We didn't go any further, so I don't know how that might have played out. We have seen many times that officials make things up as they go along, so who knows if the need to requalify when changing cantons that would have stood up to a challenge.

But it served to underscore the insecurity we feel as non EU citizens.

However, as you can see reading the forum there are plenty of stories of folks who seem to have no trouble getting permits, changing permits, renewing permits even when unemployed.
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Re: Weird change permit B turned to L ...

thanks guys,

that makes sense, but I think if the person has already a B, stays with same job and only changes address-even in new canton- I cant believe they would downgrade them to an L... I think the best is to ask an officer directly, I'll let you know what they say

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Re: Weird change permit B turned to L ...

I think they were telling a little porkie there Meloncollie. Under the Foreign Nationals Act it's quite clear.

"Art. 34 Permanent residence permit

1 The permanent residence permit is granted for an unlimited duration and without conditions.

Confirmed in the French version:

3.1.8.2.3 Changement de canton des titulaires d’une autorisation d’établissement





Le titulaire d’une autorisation d’établissement a le droit de changer de canton s’il n’existe aucun motif de révocation au sens de l’art. 63 LEtr. Le titulaire d’une autorisation d’établissement n’a pas besoin d’autorisation pour changer d’emploi ou de profession (art. 38, al. 4, LEtr).

3.1.8.2.3 Change of canton holding a residence permit

The holder of a permanent residence permit have the right to change canton if there are no grounds for revocation within the meaning of art. 63 LEtr. The holder of a business permit does not need permission to change jobs or occupation (art. 38, para. 4, FNA)."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/content/dam...ngen-aug-f.pdf

Unless there are grounds for revocation of the permit itself you should be able to move to another canton AND keep your C permit.

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