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Convert B dependent permit to independent one.

Hello People,

Does anybody knows if it is possible to convert a B permit from dependent to independent one ? I'm non-EU working with one of the biggest companies in Zurich and married to a European.

Anybody has experience with this ?

Thanks a lot.
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Hello People,

Does anybody knows if it is possible to convert a B permit from dependent to independent one ? I'm non-EU working with one of the biggest companies in Zurich and married to a European.

Anybody has experience with this ?

Thanks a lot.
A non-EU citizen with a B permit is required to obtain permission to change from employee status to self-employed status, according to paragraph 4.1 at the below link:

"Der Wechsel von einer unselbständigen zu einer selbständigen Erwerbstätigkeit ist bewilligungspflichtig."

http://www.ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherh...taetigkeit.pdf
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Re: Convert B dependent permit to independent one.

Thank you for your reply.

But do you if there are chances to do it based on my current job ?
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Old 04.11.2015, 23:51
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Thank you for your reply.

But do you if there are chances to do it based on my current job ?
Did you read the reply from Medea on the other thread where you posted? Sure, there's a way to do it. The company proves they can't find a Swiss, EU national or non-EU already here with a valid permit (like you were, on a dependent permit) to do the job.

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..Your company does have to advertise the position and try and find a Swiss/EU national who could do the job. Under the law your permit is a new one as you will no longer be tied to your [spouse]'s, so the non-EU hiring process must be followed. No workaround and no good hiring a lawyer. Sorry.
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Re: Convert B dependent permit to independent one.

Thank you for your reply.

Are you sure that the candidates must be already here ? as far as I know now they have to advertise the job in European and Swiss Jobs portals.
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Re: Convert B dependent permit to independent one.

Non-EU candidates yes, they must already have a permit to live/work here to be considered. And yes, the job has to be advertised across Europe as well as in Switzerland - more chance of getting an EU national that way.
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Re: Convert B dependent permit to independent one.

I'm not 100% certain the advice being given to the OP is correct. Already being employed here can help one get an independent permit.

I have an American friend here on a B-permit who divorced from their EU spouse but wanted to stay in CH. They'd been working for a Swiss firm for a few years in a reasonably technical job. Their employer was successful in application for a new permit, giving the justification that it was a specialist position, and after several years of on-the-job experience my friend was already the most qualified person to be working that job. There was no advertising of the position looking for other Swiss or EU candidates, and my friend remained in the country and continuously employed throughout the permit application process, despite the EU spouse having already left the the country.

So I guess whether or not your job can help you largely depends on what kind of job it is. If it's a specialized position you might be in luck, if you do data entry or work as a waitress it's probably not going to work.
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Re: Convert B dependent permit to independent one.

There is a difference though HeatherM. Your friend was divorced so needed an independent permit to stay here. And yes, it can depend on the job and the case an employer makes regarding the need to advertise it or not. If it's highly specialised then the authorities could agree to forego the advertising side of things.

The question is why Thedoors needs/wants an independent permit? If it's because of a divorce or the other half of the marriage/partnership is unemployed then that will come into the equation as well. If it's just because they want to change their permit type that won't get approval. There's a reason it's called a dependent's permit.
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