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180 day/B Permit question

Hi All

I have a question/concern and wondered if someone could help me?

I moved over to Switzerland last September on a B permit to start a job with a company here. I lived from September 14 - end of Jan 15 pretty much 5 days a week here, give or take.

My wife, however, had a job in the UK which she wasn't able to leave until this summer, and we didn't want to live apart for a whole year. Given this, I worked from the UK from 1st February till the end of July (27th). We then moved here permanently and have no plans to spend any signficiant time in the UK other than the odd long weekend seeing family.

However, the way it's worked out, it seems I have spent a) less than 180 days of this year in Switzerland, and b) more than that - actually a little more than 180 days - in the UK.

Now, I remained registered in Switzerland during my time abroad, paid cantonal taxes etc and have paid witholding tax from last September on my income. However, when I come to do my 2015/16 tax return, the authorities will see there is a problem.

So, how deep in the brown stuff am I? Will my B permit be revoked?

Thanks in advance!

David
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Old 16.11.2015, 13:06
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Re: 180 day/B Permit question

Were you still working for Zurich Insurance here in Switzerland even though you were in the UK?
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Re: 180 day/B Permit question

Yeah, it was treated as a secondment I think as it was less than 6 months (just!) and I stayed registered with the authorities, paying tax etc.

I wasn't aware of this 180 day rule though, and as I spend more time visiting the UK from Switzerland than I did vice versa, it's tipped the scales slightly over: CH - 152 days, UK - 183 days.

Guess it comes down to how understanding/flexible they are willing to be. It was a real one off because of my wife's job plus we had literally just got married in August of last year. If they look at July onwards, they'll see we have been here like 80% of the time
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Re: 180 day/B Permit question

If it was a secondment, i.e. you were sent there by your Swiss company you have no worries. You're still employed by them, they pay your salary, your centre of life is still here and no one will question it and certainly no danger to your permit.
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Re: 180 day/B Permit question

Thanks a lot!

In addition, to add to that reassurance, I've just realised that the calculation I was doing was for tax days (i.e. in the UK if you are there at midnight it is classed as a UK day, even if you were in CH for most of the time).

Looking simply at which days I was here in Switzerland at some point, it takes the total up to 169, which whilst still a fraction below 180 should be fine given your advice and the circumstances I mention.

Cheers!

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Re: 180 day/B Permit question

Even if you're a bit under, the fact that you have been back inbetween just for short visits means it's not 180 days in one hit. But for a secondment I'm not sure the 180 days would come into it anyway.

There are permitted reasons for putting a permit "on hold", not that this is what you needed to do as you weren't away for long enough. But if for any reason in the future you do need to be away for a long time you can ask your gemeinde/commune if you can put your permit on hold and this can be done for up to 4 years. The accepted reasons are: being sent abroad by your Swiss employer, military service or further education.

The main thing was/is that your centre of life is here in Switzerland. Your work, your home (you were paying rent still), you paid your taxes here, health insurance, etc, despite beint temporarily assigned abroad.
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