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B student permit/non-EU/temp full time job/school holiday

Hi all, I am from non-EU country and have a student B permit for a 14-month master program. I only have classes in the first 9 months. After that, the program requires 8-week internship to graduate. I wonder whether the period from 10th month to 14th month is considered "school holiday". If so, can I work on full time temporary job during this period with my current permit? Or is there any extra form I need to file with employment office before I can work?
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Old 16.11.2015, 20:52
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Re: B student permit/non-EU/temp full time job/school holiday

I seriously doubt it, no school is going to have a 4 month holiday. And I wouldn't have thought an internship would be for that short a period.

What are you studying where? Because as far as I can see EPFL's masters courses are for 2 years, not 14 months.
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It's a program administrated in EPFL, but not EPFL program. It does require 8-week work experience (contract, internship) only. I have accepted everything is not normal there. But it just become more and more weird.

Please let me know whether the following is correct for a school required internship/work in Switzerland

For non-EU student:

Sign a three-party agreement with school, employer and me
File a so call "form 1350" to employment office, before the start of work



For EU student:

Sign a three-party agreement with school, employer and me

Am I correct? And is there a minimal wage requirement?

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I seriously doubt it, no school is going to have a 4 month holiday. And I wouldn't have thought an internship would be for that short a period.

What are you studying where? Because as far as I can see EPFL's masters courses are for 2 years, not 14 months.
Thank you for your reply. I am new here and not sure how to use these functions properly on this forum.

I really appreciate that you can give me your comment/opinion on how this school required internship should work. When I did my interview before coming here, they told me there is no restriction since this 8-week is required by the study. They said nothing about the filing with employment office and agreement with school, when I told them about my internship offer. Now they are suddenly making all kinds of requests and demand, claiming that it's from employment office.

I know UNIL has this agreement available online for all students (including EU students) at least before this summer. I just want to know what's the standard procedure should be like

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Re: B student permit/non-EU/temp full time job/school holiday

Well, I assume it's a paid internship so I guess yes the employment office will want details as you'll have various taxes/deductions from your salary.
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Re: B student permit/non-EU/temp full time job/school holiday

Thanks very much for the quick reply. But do I need the employment office's approval before I can start???!!!
Because the program came to me one month after I started, asking me and my boss to do all the paper work. But they know about this more than one month before I started and I specifically asked whether there was anything I should do with this requirement. Now they asked for an increase of salary and details of my duty and perhaps more other stuff...

Now worrying about when is the legal starting point??
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Hi all, I am from non-EU country and have a student B permit for a 14-month master program. I only have classes in the first 9 months. After that, the program requires 8-week internship to graduate. I wonder whether the period from 10th month to 14th month is considered "school holiday". If so, can I work on full time temporary job during this period with my current permit?
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No, you can't.
As a 3d-state-citizen you cannot work at all in the 6 first months of your studies, and up from then only 15 hours a week.
Internships are OK, however, as long as practical training is part of your study course.


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Because the program came to me one month after I started, asking me and my boss to do all the paper work.
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Sounds odd to me.
The program (i.e. school) should know how to handle with that stuff, shouldn't they?
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Re: B student permit/non-EU/temp full time job/school holiday

That doesn't seem to apply Bucentaure as it seems to be talking about doing an internship in Switzerland when the person is studying elsewhere.

"I am a citizen of a non-EU/EFTA state. As part of my studies, I am required to do on-the-job training, which I would like to do in Switzerland. Do I need a work permit/a residence permit for staying in the country?

Yes, you need to apply for a residence permit issued for the purpose of gainful employment. This permit will only be issued if practical training is an integral part of your study course."

The OP is already studying here and is asking about paperwork needed to do his internship after 9 months of classes.

From the sounds of it the criteria for paid internships may not be being met by your prospective employer. If that's the case then yes the employment office can demand they meet the criteria and if they don't you won't be able to do your internship with them.
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Sounds odd to me.
The program (i.e. school) should know how to handle with that stuff, shouldn't they?
That's exactly what I thought!

They told me that it was due to tightening policy but refused to give me the timing of the change. They didn't have to do it last year. And it's only for non-EU students and blablabla....There are a lot of inconsistency in the way they handle different cases.

But I just need to know that I started to work here after 9 month in Switzerland for an internship required by the school. I should be fine, right?

Another less troublesome thing, they said employment office request my boss to increase by 50%. What would be the case if my boss refuse hypothetically?

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From the sounds of it the criteria for paid internships may not be being met by your prospective employer. If that's the case then yes the employment office can demand they meet the criteria and if they don't you won't be able to do your internship with them.
If I have already worked for one month, and then stop... how would employment office treat the case? illegal work? Of course, that's the worst scenario may not happen.

And what if it's a non-paid internship in Switzerland, I don't have to inform employment office, since no tax is involved?

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That doesn't seem to apply Bucentaure as it seems to be talking about doing an internship in Switzerland when the person is studying elsewhere.

"I am a citizen of a non-EU/EFTA state. As part of my studies, I am required to do on-the-job training, which I would like to do in Switzerland. Do I need a work permit/a residence permit for staying in the country?
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Sounds a bit like it,


but I don't think so.
Otherwise every Student of the world could easily join Switzerland for an internship?


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The OP is already studying here and is asking about paperwork needed to do his internship after 9 months of classes.

From the sounds of it the criteria for paid internships may not be being met by your prospective employer. If that's the case then yes the employment office can demand they meet the criteria and if they don't you won't be able to do your internship with them.
OK, probably this is the case;


but then again why isn't the School of help in this case? They should be the first ones to control and to help in giving their students every possibility to fullfil the criteria (internship requirements), i.e. for getting their diploma?
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OK, probably this is the case;
Yes, that's my case. After 9 month study here, I need a two month internship to graduate.


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but then again why isn't the School of help in this case? They should be the first ones to control and to help in giving their students every possibility to fullfil the criteria (internship requirements), i.e. for getting their diploma?

This is the School that blames the policy change at employment office, while other schools are doing perfectly fine.

This is the School that still encourages another student consider a non-paid internship offer in another Canton after my case, claiming that it only addresses the workplace issue in its own Canton....

After all, not all Swiss products are up to standards, just as not all Swiss are rich!
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As far as I know internships are not allowed to be unpaid anywhere in Switzerland.

As far as the increase in salary goes if the employer refuses then I don't think you'd be allowed to work there as they are not meeting the internship requirements.

Have you talked to the employment office about this?
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As far as the increase in salary goes if the employer refuses then I don't think you'd be allowed to work there as they are not meeting the internship requirements.

Have you talked to the employment office about this?
The employment office is asking for salary increase and other information from my school. The problem is I have started before I get the work permit. They know about this, but clearly they are not saying I should stop right away. I still got time to do another one, if this one doesn't work out. But I am worry about how would they say the month I worked without permit, in case it doesn't work out?

I just wanna graduate, not intend to work secretly....


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As far as I know internships are not allowed to be unpaid anywhere in Switzerland.
UN don't pay interns. But I guess that's special.

Thank you a lot, btw. I haven't figured out how to that with the function in forum though
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Well, if they're aware that you've started work already and haven't told you to stop I don't think you'll have a problem there. You've made the application, the fact that the employer isn't meeting the criteria isn't your fault.

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