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Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

Dear All,


Many thanks to the wonderful moderators and admins to take pain and giving invaluable suggestions and pointers.


I am basically Non EU L permit holder and my second year will conclude on 2nd Jan 2017.
This means I will apply for renewal of my permit around October 2016 .At this point I would have completed 2 years and will be due for L to B conversion.


Going by the trends of 2015, I suspect the number of B permits remaining will get really tight in October 2016.


My question is :


1. Is my extension from L to B subject to the 2016 Quota of 2500.
2. As I will apply in October 2016, will my extension be granted from the pool of 2500 for 2016 or will it be granted from the pool of 2017.


Looking forward to your responses.


Thanks & Regards,


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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

Yes, your employer will have to make the case for keeping you on as against hiring a Swiss/EU national so will fall under the quota limit.

No idea, as it would depend on how quickly the application is processed.
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Old 11.01.2016, 11:27
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

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Many thanks to the wonderful moderators and admins to take pain and giving invaluable suggestions and pointers.
Just a minor correction here. The moderators are indeed wonderful (Thanks and Rep from the Mod team would be much appreciated) but most of the replies to questions on here are posted by patient (mostly) and knowledgeable (mostly) 'normal' members. These are often folk who have been helped by other members in the past and stick around to give advice to others. Folk like Medea have answered the same questions with links to the same information on the internet so many times, I guess she now does it on 'automatic pilot'. Thanks MF!
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

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Yes, your employer will have to make the case for keeping you on as against hiring a Swiss/EU national so will fall under the quota limit.

No idea, as it would depend on how quickly the application is processed.
You will not be subject to the quotas for non-EU B permits when your L gets converted to a B permit. The quotas are for first time L or B permit applicants.

Your employer will have to make the case for keeping you on as against Swiss/EU national as Medea said. Your company will have to advertise your job, and prove there is no one else that is qualified from Switzerland or the EU before the B permit can get approved.
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You will not be subject to the quotas for non-EU B permits when your L gets converted to a B permit. The quotas are for first time L or B permit applicants.

Your employer will have to make the case for keeping you on as against Swiss/EU national as Medea said. Your company will have to advertise your job, and prove there is no one else that is qualified from Switzerland or the EU before the B permit can get approved.
Ooops! Thanks drewboog for picking up on that. Must have had brain failure when I wrote it.
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

Hello All,
This is my first post at English forum. I have gone through most of the posts but couldnt find appropriate answer so posting it here -
- I am here in Switzerland since begining of 2015 on L permit and have an unlimited work contract. I had applied for B permit at the end of last year but received L again. I checked with my HR at that time and she told me that it was due to the Non-EU quota.
- At the end of last year I was promoted to a new role. This job was advertised on internet for almost 7 months. I applied for this post within the company and after going through the regular screening process I was offered this new role.
My question is, as I am promoted to a new role from beginning of this year, will I be again getting L permit at the end of the year? As I understand from above posts from Medea & drewbogg that Non-EU L to B conversion will not come under Quota. I checked with HR again last month and she said it is a challenge to get B permit. Am I missing something here? What should I do to apply for B permit. I have B1 level German language from Telc and currently attending B2 level German classes.
Thank you in advance for your feedback.
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Old 10.08.2016, 17:20
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

Not much you can do. It's entirely down to the Swiss authorities whether you get an L or a B.
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

The L permit will get converted to a B permit after 2 years here for non-EU. There is no way to get a B permit sooner than this when you started with the L permit. Your company has to prove there is no one from Switzerland or the EU that applied to the job that is qualified again.

From here:
http://www.awa.zh.ch/internet/volksw...hird-countries

"Is it possible to change a short-term residence permit (L permit) into a residence permit (B permit) before the 24-month period expires?

No, this is not possible. Before consideration can be given to converting this permit into a residence permit, the entire 24 month quota has to have been exhausted."

A few months before your 2nd year L permit expires your company should apply for your B permit. If you don't get a B permit you'd have to leave the Switzerland. Your company would have an opportunity to appeal the decision.
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Old 10.08.2016, 17:48
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

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The L permit will get converted to a B permit after 2 years here for non-EU.


I am not sure about the "will", from what I have heard it is rather a "can" as you have no right to that conversion
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

I know they don't follow this two year L permit law for EU people. For non-EU I believe they do follow the law here, you get the B permit or have to leave. If you get a new job, or move to a new canton it may reset your time here.

From the AuG, Forign Nationals Act:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...000/142.20.pdf

"Chapter 6: Regulation of the Period of stay
Art. 32 Short stay permit
1 The short stay permit is granted for limited periods of stay of up to one year.
2 It is granted for a specific purpose of stay and may be made subject to additional conditions.
3 It may be extended by up to two years. A change of job is only possible for good cause.
4 The short stay permit may only be granted again after an appropriate interruption of stay in Switzerland. "
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

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I know they don't follow this two year L permit law for EU people. For non-EU I believe they do follow the law here, you get the B permit or have to leave. If you get a new job, or move to a new canton it may reset your time here.

From the AuG, Forign Nationals Act:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...000/142.20.pdf

"Chapter 6: Regulation of the Period of stay
Art. 32 Short stay permit
1 The short stay permit is granted for limited periods of stay of up to one year.
2 It is granted for a specific purpose of stay and may be made subject to additional conditions.
3 It may be extended by up to two years. A change of job is only possible for good cause.
4 The short stay permit may only be granted again after an appropriate interruption of stay in Switzerland. "
Thank you drewbogg, Medea & roegner.

"A few months before your 2nd year L permit expires your company should apply for your B permit. If you don't get a B permit you'd have to leave the Switzerland. Your company would have an opportunity to appeal the decision. "

Could you please give more details on the possible reasons for refusing the B permit after 2 years of L permit? I thought having unlimited contract, B1 level German language certificate and considering that the job was advertised for 7 months during which the company couldn't find a Swiss or a EU national, it is possible to get a B permit.
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

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Thank you drewbogg, Medea & roegner.

"A few months before your 2nd year L permit expires your company should apply for your B permit. If you don't get a B permit you'd have to leave the Switzerland. Your company would have an opportunity to appeal the decision. "

Could you please give more details on the possible reasons for refusing the B permit after 2 years of L permit? I thought having unlimited contract, B1 level German language certificate and considering that the job was advertised for 7 months during which the company couldn't find a Swiss or a EU national, it is possible to get a B permit.
Yes, it seems like your company would have a good case for getting you the B permit. It's likely the most difficult to get the initial non-EU L permit. It will probably be okay for you.

The company has to advertise the job online and at the RAV to see if any Swiss or EU people apply. They have to send resumes they get to the work permission office and explain what is wrong with the people who applied. If you were in an IT field and they see many people getting unemployment that have a similar number years of experience and education they might reject the B permit. If your salary was below the national average for your position, the work office could tell the company to fix it and if they don't the B permit would get rejected.
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

could someone tell me how to extend L permit for the second year? the process will be same or is it enough to bring the contract to the migration office?
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could someone tell me how to extend L permit for the second year? the process will be same or is it enough to bring the contract to the migration office?


If you are non EU, your employer needs to apply for it
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

Thank you drewboog for the clarification. I will further with HR again and apply.
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could someone tell me how to extend L permit for the second year? the process will be same or is it enough to bring the contract to the migration office?
You have to go to your gemeinde a month before your permit expires and they will put an application together and send it to the migration office. Your employer will have to send a letter to the migration office that says you are still employed, haven't found anyone else, etc.. As long as the company wants to keep you then it seems like getting the L permit renewed for a second year is guaranteed.
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could someone tell me how to extend L permit for the second year? the process will be same or is it enough to bring the contract to the migration office?
I went to the Gemeinde to get a Verfallsanzeige, filled in my personal details and sent it to HR to fill in the rest and stamp on it. Then I brought it back to the Gemeinde, paid the fee and waited for the new permit. You can do it as early as 3 months before your permit expires.
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

@drewboog and @Emily161 thanx for answers but i dont understand what is relation Gemeinde with my permit? I go only migration office and the company sent the letter to BECO (bern)
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@drewboog and @Emily161 thanx for answers but i dont understand what is relation Gemeinde with my permit? I go only migration office and the company sent the letter to BECO (bern)
I cannot say for sure but in my case they act as coordinator, i.e give me the form, collect money and send it to AWA/Migrationsamt in Zurich. Also when I applied from L to B, I followed the same procedure. Guess there are other ways but that's my experience. Anyway second year L is pretty simple and quick to renew.
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Re: Is existing Non EU L to B Quota conversion subject to Quotas

Its been 4 weeks since my application has been sent for converting L permit to B permit. Anybody knows how long it takes to get the permission.

My understanding is that for Non-EU applicants, usually the first permit will be a L permit even if he/she has an unlimited work contract. I am just curious to know if quotas are not applicable for L to B conversion, who gets a Non-EU B permit from the beginning and on what are the requirements for getting a Non-EU B permit instead of L permit.
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