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Help me! Im a Swiss abroad! Welfare and Military

Ok, I guess first i need to explain my situation. I'm 20 and I'm currently living in Cape Town, South Africa, where until recently I thought I would be living for a long time. Unfortunately, things never go to plan in Africa and my visa was denied, meaning I must return to Switzerland where I've lived only a handful of years in my childhood. I speak a tiny bit of German and in swiss currency Im most probably severely broke. Now my mother who has lived abroad for a long time and is retired (64) cannot really support me as that would put her retirement funds in jeopardy. I have a sister and brother in Zurich, the only people I know there too.

Now my question is, does the Swiss government offer financial (or other) aid to citizens in my situation. If so, too what extent is it and how would I go about applying for it? Would I have to prove my mothers and I's inadequate financial situation? The latter would be easy...

Its not that I want to free roll off the Swiss governments welfare, I would just require it until I am adequately comfortable with Swiss-German to the point where I can apply for a Job.

I know this post is just dragging on now, but I also have a inquiry about the military. I have only recently re-acquired my Swiss passport about a year ago after about 12 years without it, I am a dual citizen Swiss/Austrian. If I would go to Switzerland and register, would I be obliged to join the military for the normal period?

I'm sorry for all the questions, if you can't answer them all, that's fine. I am looking for advice and would love to hear what you have to say
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Re: Help me! Im a Swiss abroad! Welfare and Military

You may (also?) find some help here:
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Re: Help me! Im a Swiss abroad! Welfare and Military

Sorry to hear about your situation.

A few things;

1. You are 20, so you wouldn't have to prove your mothers income, you're an adult. I'm not sure what social help you would be entitled to.

2. You might get called for military service, but would likely be rejected if you don't speak the language.

3. You're an EU citizen, so why not go to the UK/Ireland, where you speak the language and could more easily get a job?
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Sorry to hear about your situation.

A few things;

1. You are 20, so you wouldn't have to prove your mothers income, you're an adult. I'm not sure what social help you would be entitled to.

2. You might get called for military service, but would likely be rejected if you don't speak the language.

3. You're an EU citizen, so why not go to the UK/Ireland, where you speak the language and could more easily get a job?

Thanks Island Monkey,for (1.) I thought that may be the case.
Even though I am indeed a EU citizen, I figure that if I am going to start a new life, Id want it to be in Switzerland where my future will be a lot brighter. At least that is what all the Swiss people say to me, Haha .
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Haven't got a link- but in Switzerland parents are responsible for adult child's welfare/keeping was beyond majority.
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I figure that if I am going to start a new life, Id want it to be in Switzerland where my future will be a lot brighter. At least that is what all the Swiss people say to me, Haha .
Getting a job in Switzerland without local languages and/or good qualifications is very very difficult. Language courses here are also very expensive.
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Re: Help me! Im a Swiss abroad! Welfare and Military

La loi (Art 277 du Code Civil Suisse) dit que l'obligation d'entretien des parents dure jusqu'à la majorité de l'enfant. Si l'enfant n'a pas terminé sa formation à sa majorité, les parents doivent, dans la mesure de leurs moyens, continuer de subvenir à son entretien, si cette formation s'achève dans des délais normaux.

Article 277 of Swiss Civil Law is very complex- and a parent cannot stop helping an adult child financially autmatically if said 'child' is still studying. A special court would decicde- depending on parents financial situation, if s/he provides free accomodation and food, etc, and other factors.

Will you be living with your mother? Official English version:

Art. 2771B. Duration

B. Duration

1 The parents' duty of maintenance lasts until the child attains the age of majority.2

2 If at that juncture the child has not yet had a suitable education, the parents must pay for his or her maintenance, to the extent conscionable in the overall circumstances, until such time as the child can complete a suitable education within the customary timescale.3

1 Amended by No I 1 of the Federal Act of 25 June 1976, in force since 1 Jan. 1978 (AS 1977 237 264; BBl 1974 II 1).
2 Amended by No I 2 of the Federal Act of 19 Dec. 2008 (Adult Protection Law, Law of Persons and Law of Children), in force since 1 Jan. 2013 (AS 2011 725; BBl 2006 7001).
3 Amended by No I of the Federal Act of 7 Oct. 1994, in force since 1 Jan. 1996 (AS 1995 1126 1131; BBl 1993 I 1169).

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Will you be living with your mother?
Hi Odile, My mother will not be living in Switzerland as she refuses and her visa situation in South Africa is fine. I would be going to Switzerland alone.
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Getting a job in Switzerland without local languages and/or good qualifications is very very difficult. Language courses here are also very expensive.
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What kind of qualification, if any, do you have?
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He could work as an Au-Pair whilst he is learning, with free board and lodgings then do military service and by then he will have acquired sufficient German to work.
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What kind of qualification, if any, do you have?
That would be the standard British High school degree, done with
CIE Cambridge. A-Levels,etc

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He could work as an Au-Pair whilst he is learning, with free board and lodgings.
Ive found a thread on this forum where Swiss Social Welfare is discussed.
Considering my situation, is this viable?
Link: Swiss Abroad

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Re: Help me! Im a Swiss abroad! Welfare and Military

Could do, might do - all depends on the detail of your case. But if you can get a job as an Au Pair, with free board and lodgings, and language course thrown in + go for full immerison then military service- it would me much much better in the long run. Being a recipient of social help sticks with you for a long time- and imho, best avoided if there is another way.

Would your sister or brother agree to host and help you initially?
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Could do, might do - all depends on the detail of your case. But if you can get a job as an Au Pair, with free board and lodgings, and language course thrown in + go for full immerison then military service- it would me much much better in the long run. Being a recipient of social help sticks with you for a long time- and imho, best avoided if there is another way.

Would your sister or brother agree to host and help you initially?
Yes, I would say about 1 or 2 months to get on my feet somewhat, so I do have a little help from that side. Definitely making it easier.
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how do you feel about the suggestion of working as Au Pair with a family? That way you get full immersion into German, a free language course, room and food and health insurance and decent pocket money. Followed by military service- you would be fluent by then and ready to jump into work.
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You will definitely have to do military, unless you can't learn a Swiss language by the time you turn 27.

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But if you plan to work, what is it you would do exactly? Without further qualifications (i.e. apprenticeship or a degree) and insufficient local language skills, you will probably not find a job. Even if you were entitled to money from somewhere, it will probably not be for long enough. A few months are not going to cut it. You will not learn enough of the language in that time to find a job or an apprenticeship.

Please be very realistic and aware that Switzerland is generally a rather high-skilled environment where people with no formal qualification whatsoever (and finishing high school but nothing else is part of this group) will have a very hard time finding employment.

Maybe university is an option and on some kind of stipend? I have zero idea if that is a viable option, it's just a thought and you might want to look into this option.

Second the au pair idea though. Probably your best option and a good combination of language training and sufficient money to make ends meet.

I also agree that you should explore the option of moving somewhere where you actually speak the language, i.e. UK. I don't think that it will be supereasy there either, but at least one of the major issues would be out of the way. You can still move to Switzerland later when you're more established and experienced.
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Thanks Island Monkey,for (1.) I thought that may be the case.
Even though I am indeed a EU citizen, I figure that if I am going to start a new life, Id want it to be in Switzerland where my future will be a lot brighter. At least that is what all the Swiss people say to me, Haha .
Without language and better qualifications, unless you've got family to assist, then your future in Switzerland is not bright at all.

I advise that you go to the UK, get a job, gains skills, learn to speak German to at least B2 level, then think about moving to Switzerland. For skills, with A levels you could enroll in university.

I've met single Swiss men who are living on the social. It ain't pretty, and it's hard to get out off. The UK or Ireland will give you a better launching pad - but you need to find work fast. While you'll get money from the welfare state, you'll be firmly at the back of the queue for accommodation.
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As above, go to the UK first. Go to Uni there and study German or German and something else like Business, so you get a degree and learn the language. Then head to Switzerland.
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This lengthy thread on a 25 yo Swiss abroad who "returns" to Switzerland has several worthwhile posts and is worth a read:

Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]
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http://aso.ch/de/beratung/rueckwanderung-in-die-schweiz

Perhaps you could get some information from this site. I believe there's support for Swiss abroad wishing to re-settle in Switzerland.
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