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is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

Today i deregistered from my local gemeinde (i am leaving CH for good), but they did not cancel my C permit. The lady in the office told me perhaps I would need it in the airport, so I still have a C permit that doesnt have any marks on it saying it is cancelled.

Is this still a valid C-permit? Can I enter CH after my departure with it?
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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

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Today i deregistered from my local gemeinde (i am leaving CH for good), but they did not cancel my C permit. The lady in the office told me perhaps I would need it in the airport, so I still have a C permit that doesnt have any marks on it saying it is cancelled.

Is this still a valid C-permit? Can I enter CH after my departure with it?
No. It will be cancelled. You might need it at the airport to show why you've been in the country longer than your 90 day tourist visa.

You don't want a fine and ban for overstaying right?
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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

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No. It will be cancelled. You might need it at the airport to show why you've been in the country longer than your 90 day tourist visa.

You don't want a fine and ban for overstaying right?
Right now, i have a C permit in my wallet that is unchanged since deregistering. The people at gemeinde did not tell me it was cancelled or anything like that, so it is still valid.

Besides, I dont recall seeing border police checking the validity of permits on their computers ever, so in practice i could still use it. No?
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Old 09.06.2016, 16:44
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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

I am somehow quite sure that your passport is linked to the permit. And when (if) you show your passport at the airport, it will pop up that you have a permit (or not).


I personally wouldn´t try and enter a country with a document that already is invalid by your leaving that country officially
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Old 09.06.2016, 16:47
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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

It is valid for 6 months after you deregister.

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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

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It is valid for 6 months after you deregister.

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Why would it be valid for 6 months after you deregister? It's quite clear in the Foreign Nationals Act.

"Section2: Expiry and Revocation of Permits

Art.61 Expiry of permits

1 A permit expires:
a. on notice of departure abroad;
b. on the grant of a permit in another canton;
c. on the expiry of the term of validity of the permit;
d. on expulsion in terms of Article 68.2

If a foreign national leaves Switzerland without giving notice of departure, a short stay permit expires after three months, and a residence or permanent residence permit (expires) after six months."

The OP has given notice so the permit expires on his departure date and will no longer be valid.
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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

i now learned that i could have asked for "maintenance" my permit, that is to keep it valid for 6 months after departure, and they normally honor that. however i did not ask for it, and i think somehow they assumed i would want that and thus did not void the permit
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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

It'd be still valid if you're abroad (no longer than 6 months) but still registered. However, since you have deregistered, it won't be valid anymore.
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i now learned that i could have asked for "maintenance" my permit, that is to keep it valid for 6 months after departure, and they normally honor that. however i did not ask for it, and i think somehow they assumed i would want that and thus did not void the permit
It's still valid because you haven't left the country yet. You notified them the date you were leaving, the permit will run up to then and no longer. They assume nothing because wanting to keep the permit past your permanent leaving date is not allowed in the first place.

You cannot ask to keep a permit for 6 months more. It just happens that as many people work abroad for several weeks or months at a time the Swiss have a set period that the permit is still valid for - if they haven't been notified of your permanent departure - so a permit isn't cancelled unnecessarily. If you leave permanently without notifying the gemeinde (nothing to do with asking) then the permit is still valid for 6 months because they don't know you've left permanently. The rule however is that you should notify the gemeinde of your permanent departure abroad so the permit can be cancelled - which is what you've done.
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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

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Right now, i have a C permit in my wallet that is unchanged since deregistering. The people at gemeinde did not tell me it was cancelled or anything like that, so it is still valid.
Because you haven't left yet. They won't cancel it on the permit. They will cancel it in 'the system'.

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Besides, I dont recall seeing border police checking the validity of permits on their computers ever, so in practice i could still use it. No?
If you are leaving Schengen they will look at it.

Why does it matter? You de registered and are leaving. What do you need it for?
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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

Think he hopes to come back for a visit without needing to get a tourist visa. Sorry, but that won't happen. He'll have to apply for one as he usually would once he's left Switzerland for good.
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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

Hi everyone,

Pls advice...how long we can stay away on C permit.

What reasons they need for the 4 year stay away from Switzerland.

Thx
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Hi everyone,

Pls advice...how long we can stay away on C permit.

What reasons they need for the 4 year stay away from Switzerland.

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1) 6 months max.

2) Being sent to work abroad by your Swiss employer.
Military service.
Further education.
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Re: is C permit valid after deregistration if it is not cancelled by gemeinde?

Thx for the reply.

My wife is an international student in canada and I have a work permit for canada.

Can I go on this reason to stay with my wife as she studies.

Thx
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Thx for the reply.

My wife is an international student in canada and I have a work permit for canada.

Can I go on this reason to stay with my wife as she studies.

Thx
Ask your gemeinde. They're the ones who say yes or no.
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