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Applying for Irish dual-citizenship [British] ?

I'm half-Irish half-British [mother Irish, father British] but I never really applied for dual-citizenship before.

With the results, I was wondering if it's better for me to apply for dual - given that I want to stay in Switzerland (and maybe one day become Swiss), so what are the benefits/disadvantages of applying ?
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I'm half-Irish half-British [mother Irish, father British] but I never really applied for dual-citizenship before.

With the results, I was wondering if it's better for me to apply for dual - given that I want to stay in Switzerland (and maybe one day become Swiss), so what are the benefits/disadvantages of applying ?
Me too..

I'd say you probably want to make your mind up first..

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Re: Applying for Irish dual-citizenship [British] ?

Make my mind up ? I will apply for dual-citizenship... but only if there's no major disadvantages to becoming Swiss [only here since 3-4 years] ?
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Re: Applying for Irish dual-citizenship [British] ?

No disadavantage from the/becoming Swiss point of view.
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No disadvantage from the/becoming Swiss point of view.
Would it change my status here though ?
Would I have to change Permits or anything else [Permit B since 3-4 years, working 100% since 3-4 years] ?

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but only if there's no major disadvantages to becoming Swiss [only here since 3-4 years] ?
This may or may not be a disadvantage in your eyes - or rather, in the eyes of your heirs:

As a resident Swiss citizen your estate must follow Swiss inheritance law, you are not free to leave your estate fully as you please, something you could have done as a resident non-citizen by claiming Heimatrecht. (Assuming your home country inheritance law allows this.)

Under Swiss inheritance rules certain percentages of your estate must go to specific relatives. There are many discussions of this on other EF threads, so I won't get into this topic further here.

But as above, you may or may not see this as important.
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Re: Applying for Irish dual-citizenship [British] ?

You would fall under the new naturalization law:
Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]
https://www.admin.ch/gov/de/start/do...-id-62259.html

Means first step is to get a Permit C.
Becoming Irish (additional to beeing British) should have no impact on the Permit you allready have.
The additional Irish citicenship may help to renew your Permit once UK finally left the EU. (Actually, if you look at the billateral agreements, UK leaving the EU may have no impact https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...42.112.681.pdf, see the agreement partners, it is not just the EU).
You are elligble for Swiss naturalization once you have your Permit C, have lived long enough in Switzerland (regardless under what nationality), and met all the new integration requirements.
For time beeing, get your Irish citicen ship. I can not see how it could hurt you from a pure Swiss perspective. Go Green, Go Irish. (Maybe thats an other Irish )
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Re: Applying for Irish dual-citizenship [British] ?

Wasn't/isn't there mutterings amongst the SVP to make it so that anyone naturalising as Swiss would have to give up their other citizenships as they have to in Germany? Don't know how likely that is to happen, but might be worth keeping an eye on just in case.
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Re: Applying for Irish dual-citizenship [British] ?

...but I won't need to worry about that for another 5+ years I'll just get the Irish for now, actually contacted the Embassy and they were quick to reply, wonder how many others have asked them for applications
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Wasn't/isn't there mutterings amongst the SVP to make it so that anyone naturalising as Swiss would have to give up their other citizenships as they have to in Germany? Don't know how likely that is to happen, but might be worth keeping an eye on just in case.

AFAIK (based on the experiences of friends) an EU citizen becoming a German citizen by naturalization is not required by Germany to give up his previous citizenship. Whether the applicant's original EU country of citizenship - for those EU countries forbidding multiple citizenship - would theoretically require the applicant to give up that original citizenship is another matter.
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Re: Applying for Irish dual-citizenship [British] ?

Yes, true. But Switzerland isn't part of the EU and they plan to limit immigration from the EU so not likely to allow EU nationals to keep their citizenships if they become Swiss.
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Yes, true. But Switzerland isn't part of the EU and they plan to limit immigration from the EU so not likely to allow EU nationals to keep their citizenships if they become Swiss.
My assumption that it will be most likely be dismissed. Either you have to make the regualtion as weak as the old one was.
The issue is discussed in this thread: New SVP Initiative

Once in the past it was not possible to lose the the British citicenship once in, your were in for live. I do not know how it is now.
But it was one of the reason why the old regulation over all did not make any sense. To many exception and circumastances where dual citicenship was still possible and an option. New SVP Initiative Even the German regulation has so many exceptions which opens the question if it is actually fair.

Hmm. I may be eligble for the German citizenships.
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Wasn't/isn't there mutterings amongst the SVP to make it so that anyone naturalising as Swiss would have to give up their other citizenships as they have to in Germany? .
For information: In Germany, it's the default to give up the other citizenship, but you have the right to double citizenship if your other country is EU or if there is an agreement of mutual recognition with your non-EU country.

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Hmm. I may be eligble for the German citizenships.
It's actually quite difficult to become German without living there. Father or mother must be German or you have to live in the country even if you're married with a German citizen.
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...but I won't need to worry about that for another 5+ years I'll just get the Irish for now, actually contacted the Embassy and they were quick to reply, wonder how many others have asked them for applications
I sorted it out last year in order to get ahead of any potential rush, so me at least. I'm the first in my family to have an Irish passport - my mother was born in Belfast (and her parents in Omagh, before partition) but neither she nor her siblings have ever had anything other than a British passport.
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Heh... https://lovin.ie/news/this-graph-sho...t-this-morning
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For information: In Germany, it's the default to give up the other citizenship, but you have the right to double citizenship if your other country is EU or Switzerland if there is an agreement of mutual recognition with your non-EU country.
§12 StAG http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ru...005830913.html


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It's actually quite difficult to become German without living there. Father or mother must be German or you have to live in the country even if you're married with a German citizen.
Art. 116 Abs. 2 GG
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/gg/art_116.html
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Thank you for documenting my points. We all agree, thank you for adding the details.
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Re: Applying for Irish dual-citizenship [British] ?

Don't apply for dual citizenship just yet. Wait until the dust settles, as much of how Europe is going to look is still unclear.
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Don't apply for dual citizenship just yet. Wait until the dust settles, as much of how Europe is going to look is still unclear.
But dual has no disadvantages ? I should get it pretty much given to me since mother was born Irish (whole of her side of the family is Irish and she was born in Ireland).

Irish Embassy near Bern sent me the application by post already... should have it on Monday
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Re: Applying for Irish dual-citizenship [British] ?

I received my first Irish passport from Bern in 2013.

I'm English and my parents are Irish. It was straightforward and it was all done by post.

My only small challenge was that my parents dropped the O' from our family name when they moved to the UK in the 70's.

The application form requires proof of name change, which took some searching as it was not held on a central record.

The Irish embassy were pragmatic and told me it didn't matter.

I haven't informed any authorities in the UK or Switzerland of this passport.
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