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Taking a break while on Chomage

Hello,

I am on B permit and need some advice please. Have been on chomage for 7 months and wanted to take a 3 - 4 months break, of course unpaid.

1. Is it possible to do so and if yes, what are formalities?

2. When I return from back, will my chomage continue the same way and gets extended by number of days that I have been off.

Best thing would have been to check with ORP but the person seems to be far from cooperative and friendly. What choices do I have?

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Hello,

I am on B permit and need some advice please. Have been on chomage for 7 months and wanted to take a 3 - 4 months break, of course unpaid.

1. Is it possible to do so and if yes, what are formalities?

2. When I return from back, will my chomage continue the same way and gets extended by number of days that I have been off.

Best thing would have been to check with ORP but the person seems to be far from cooperative and friendly. What choices do I have?

Cheers
It's possible, you will likely get penalised as it's considered taking the piss, your rahmenfrist won't get extended, the days you can claim for stays the same, which is usually 6 months less than the rahemnfrist.

You can go to look for a job in an EU country for 3 months & will get paid by the Swiss unemployment fund.
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Re: Taking a break while on Chomage

As you're an unemployed non-EU national on a B permit do you really want to put that in jeopardy? I assume RAV have taken over your permit so do you really want to piss off your "employer" by not doing everything you can to find a job?
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Re: Taking a break while on Chomage

It has become more of the necessity than anything else. Why would I otherwise want to remain unpaid...

Q: Why should I get penalised, since it is going to be unpaid anyway? I have no intentions of going out of Swiss during this period, just that I need extra 3 months..
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Hello,

I am on B permit and need some advice please. Have been on chomage for 7 months and wanted to take a 3 - 4 months break, of course unpaid.

1. Is it possible to do so and if yes, what are formalities?

2. When I return from back, will my chomage continue the same way and gets extended by number of days that I have been off.

Best thing would have been to check with ORP but the person seems to be far from cooperative and friendly. What choices do I have?

Cheers
1. You will have to deregister. Penalties are handled on a case-by-case basis, you do not wish to look for a job without a valid reason, etc.

2. The deadline for claiming benefits remains the same. The amount of "days" you can claim remains the same, provided those are taken before this deadline, 2 years, I assume.

No registration = no work permit.
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Old 21.07.2016, 12:46
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It has become more of the necessity than anything else. Why would I otherwise want to remain unpaid...

Q: Why should I get penalised, since it is going to be unpaid anyway? I have no intentions of going out of Swiss during this period, just that I need extra 3 months..


Because the RAV is an institution that wants you to find a job asap and taking 3 months off, even unpaid, clashes with their intentions of you getting a job?


They would interpret 3 months off as not willing to (find) work. If you are unable to work, you should see a doctor.
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1. You will have to deregister. Penalties are handled on a case-by-case basis, you do not wish to look for a job without a valid reason, etc.

2. The deadline for claiming benefits remains the same. The amount of "days" you can claim remains the same, provided those are taken before this deadline, 2 years, I assume.

No registration = no work permit.

The file is open for 2 years i.e June 2017 but delai-cadre (400 days) expires in Dec 2016 and I need to extend it to March 2017. So at some point in time I will have to do this and was thinking of doing it now rather than towards the end. Also, hiring activités are slow, so better now. Do not understand, why I have to deregister since I am in within the 2 year period and break is only temporary? Does the ORP have autorité to decline my request for unpaid break or it is my right?
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Re: Taking a break while on Chomage

If you're sick then get a certificate from your doctor and present that to RAV.

But you do understand that if you've been unemployed for 7 months and take 3 months off that's nearly a year and your permit would be up for renewal soon after. Do you really think they're going to renew it if you've buggered off for 3 months?
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Re: Taking a break while on Chomage

Thanks guys for responding.

On the issue with permit, I know for sure that they will have to extend it till the time 400 days expire. Also, I have no problem looking for the job during this period, just that I need this extension for some other purpose and unpaid break is the only option left
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Thanks guys for responding.

On the issue with permit, I know for sure that they will have to extend it till the time 400 days expire. Also, I have no problem looking for the job during this period, just that I need this extension for some other purpose and unpaid break is the only option left


The way the rules are handled gets more tight and tight. Do not be so sure that trying to get unpaid leave, move your RAV days to another period will end up with still geting a new permit if you do not have a job by that time?
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The file is open for 2 years i.e June 2017 but delai-cadre (400 days) expires in Dec 2016 and I need to extend it to March 2017. So at some point in time I will have to do this and was thinking of doing it now rather than towards the end. Also, hiring activités are slow, so better now. Do not understand, why I have to deregister since I am in within the 2 year period and break is only temporary? Does the ORP have autorité to decline my request for unpaid break or it is my right?
That's not how it works. You have a right to those 400 "days" only within this two year period, i.e. until June 2017. If one takes unpaid vacation (i.e., a week), one does not get paid, i.e. you lose the right to be paid for the vacation days. The two year period continues. Re: penalties see above.

You deregister (since you will not be looking for a job, you will have to or they do it for you). In my case (I broke a bone in my right wrist), they deregistered me, the two year period continued running. I picked up where I left off, the "day" count continued from the first day I could type well enough to apply for a job. However, once you deregister without a reason, your two year period is hacked off. After you register again, they will make a new calculation based on the last 6 (or 12) months. That in turn means, if you deregister for 12 months, you will end up with 0, because you will have not worked 12 months in the last 24.

So, you are not asking the right question. It is not that simple. For obvious reasons, you should talk this through with your advisor, so he can give you the details.

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Unlike your right to receive chomage benefits, you are not entitled to extension of your permit, i.e. you have no legal right. The migration authorities have the say and they are by no means obligation to extend it, they may or (which is far more likely, esp. if you are non-EU) may not.
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Re: Taking a break while on Chomage

Interesting Alydeis. My advisor is the one who has become a bottleneck, refuses to speak english and my local language is not upto the level where I can discuss these issues.
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Interesting Alydeis. My advisor is the one who has become a bottleneck, refuses to speak english and my local language is not upto the level where I can discuss these issues.


You´d better get an interpreter then. It is not a task for the adviser to speak your language but you speaking the local language or have an interpreter.
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Interesting Alydeis. My advisor is the one who has become a bottleneck, refuses to speak english and my local language is not upto the level where I can discuss these issues.


Then take someone who is, its the only way you will get a difinitive answer. You can ask on here all day long, but we cant really answer the question for you!
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Thanks guys for responding.

On the issue with permit, I know for sure that they will have to extend it till the time 400 days expire. Also, I have no problem looking for the job during this period, just that I need this extension for some other purpose and unpaid break is the only option left
You have no other purpose except to get a new job asap as far as RAV is concerned. You will not get an extention, it's 400 days within the 2 year period.

Why do you need to extend it from December 2016 to March 2017 anyway?
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Why would they speak English?

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