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Old 03.08.2016, 15:07
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

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You could if you told the canton. Well, I suspect it's more "ask" than "told" but I doubt it's ever refused.
Anything factual to back up your assertion on lack of refusals?

To the OP: the issue is your permit becomes discretionary as soon as you no longer meet its conditions eg exceeding 6 months stay abroad. You might get to keep it, you might not.

As already stated, in order to ensure you can return at any time in any country following departure, Citizenship is the only guarantee.

In essence your status is the following: if you spend less than 6 months outside Switzerland at a time, your permit remains valid, otherwise it becomes invalid.
(There may be other considerations on overall duration in Switzerland etc).

Otherwise you could apply to freeze your permit on each departure of more than 6 months, and reactivate it for at least six months on each return.

Unless of course you become a citizen. (I got it in 9 months unfacilitated).

One of the reasons I became a citizen once eligible a few years ago, was for the certainty it provdes, especially as I get older, and the principle of applying while eligible before becoming potentially ineligible later (as has happened since to me, plus MEI, plus Brexit).
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Old 03.08.2016, 15:12
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

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Anything factual to back up your assertion on lack of refusals?
All google results I find state that for anything more than 6 months you need to inform the authorities. Can't find anything where this has been refused.
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Old 03.08.2016, 15:24
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

Thanks for the followup, the OP now has a better sense of your source. YMMV.

I guess worth considering is, if the OP repeatedly wants to be out of Switzerland for more than 6 months at a time, the authorities may grant an initial waiver or two allowing extension/retention of the permit, however may form a view later that the OP really doesn't live here anymore.

Especially as we don't know how the MEI will be implemented, and the impact of Brexit if the OP has a UK passport.

For a year or two it might be ok, beyond that things may change from today.

Look at the recent press encouraging the 700k B permit holders here currently eligible to become citizens, to consider applying before becoming ineligible as of 01.01.2018 unless they acquire a C permit, (unlike today).

The laws they are a-changin'.....
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Old 03.08.2016, 15:28
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

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All google results I find state that for anything more than 6 months you need to inform the authorities. Can't find anything where this has been refused.
There have been a few posts on here over the years where it's actually been refused so I suspect refusal to suspend a C permit is not uncommon.
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Old 03.08.2016, 15:33
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There have been a few posts on here over the years where it's actually been refused so I suspect refusal to suspend a C permit is not uncommon.
I can't find any of those threads; can you link to some?
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Old 03.08.2016, 15:50
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I can't find any of those threads; can you link to some?
Here's one example

How to keep C Permit with extended absence

Don't have time to do a search now ( given how crap the search function is) but someone with loads of spare time could probably find a lot more.
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Old 03.08.2016, 16:06
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

The person wanted to leave for at least 2 years with no planned return date, no ties to Switzerland, and was refused. Not really relevant here.

The search here is useless, so I'll wait for people less lazy than me to come up with examples which I'll then attempt to refute one by one
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Old 03.08.2016, 16:40
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

Here's another.

C Permit, wanted to freeze it for 3 years. But not approved.

And a reminder of what happens sometimes:

How to recover a cancelled C permit
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Old 03.08.2016, 16:43
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

3 years > 2 years. But more to the point ... OP wanted to leave and start a new life elsewhere, coming back only if that failed. One needs to say/prove one lives in Switzerland and is temporarily leaving because of xxxx.

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Didn't tell anyone; just posted the permit back and then realised they could have extended it.

They were easy! Any more?
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

Whether it's 2, 3 or 4 years doesn't matter. If the gemeinde/migration office says no, that's it.

And the other was more a warning than an example. If you google "C permit suspension" plenty of EF threads on the subject will come up. You can wade through them to your heart's content.

Whatever we say, the OP needs to talk to their gemeinde/migration office as they're the ones who'll make the decision. Anything else is basically irrelevant however much we might think otherwise. We don't make the decisions, they do!
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

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All google results I find state that for anything more than 6 months you need to inform the authorities. Can't find anything where this has been refused.
You asked for examples of a C permit suspension being refused and that's what you got, you didn't say it had to be the exact same situation as the OP.
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

Ok
What I've got so far is
183 days seems to be a residency requirement. If less than 183 days, then it should be more than elsewhere. Should not be challenged if still have house, family, pay tax etc.
Tax liabilities vary from country to country. Eg UK after90 days. I think also ch.
The 6 month rule and informing authority, is meant in one go not per year.

What does OP mean, and ymmv and mei and how do I thank people.
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

Opening Poster - person who started the thread (you in this case)
No idea
No idea
Not enough posts yet - you need 10.

The 6 month rule applies year on year. Asking permission from the authorities is done if you want to be away for more than the 6 months. And you could be refused depending on the reason you give for wanting to be away for so long. If you do get permission then the 6 month rule obviously doesn't apply during that period. If you don't ask for an extension (say you got 2 years and now want another 1) then your permit will become invalid.
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Re: Permit c rules for retired

YMMV = your mileage may vary
MEI is the SVP initiative regarding foreigners. (MEI is an abbreviation of the German term Masseinwanderung initiativ or something like that)
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