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Another marriage question

I have read through this forum and found many posts regarding this topic, but there are also many opposing answers. Here is our situation: I'm non-EU, living and working in Switzerland for 3 years (2 years on L permit, now B permit which should be yearly renewed). She is also non-EU resident from the same country. We would like to get married now and continue living together in Switzerland. I have a job in the field where is hare to get new employees, ok salary for Zürich and I'm renting 3-room apartment.
My questions are:
1. For our future odds of she coming here, is it better to marry in Switzerland or in origin country?
2. Where to go in Zürich to ask more questions and explanations what to do? Which service would deal with that?
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Re: Another marriage question

It doesn't matter where you get married. Get married where you want to get married.

You need to go to the civil registry office. A nice German speaker will come and tell you what that is in German.
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Re: Another marriage question

Zivilstandsamt
https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/prd/de/...r_schweiz.html
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Re: Another marriage question

1) It doesn't make any difference where you marry as far as her getting a dependent's permit.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification

"Art. 44 Spouses and children of persons with a residence permit

The foreign spouse and unmarried children under 18 of a person with a residence permit may be granted a residence permit if:

a. they live with the permit holder;
b. suitable housing is available; and
c. they do not depend on social assistance."

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...232/index.html

2) https://www.ch.ch/en/marriage/
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Re: Another marriage question

Thanks for the replies. I would also like to hear your opinion about Masseneinwanderungsinitiative: the deadline is February 2017. What you think will this effect my situation? Better to marry before or after?
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Thanks for the replies. I would also like to hear your opinion about Masseneinwanderungsinitiative: the deadline is February 2017. What you think will this effect my situation? Better to marry before or after?
Should have no effect because as far as I know they're not planning to include dependents in any quota limits that may be applied in future. It was proposed, but I don't think the government has included that in the safeguard clause. And it's unlikely any quota would be applied before 2018.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...wanderung.html
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Re: Another marriage question

Then I had totally wrong assumption. I taught that dependents also count against quota already. I mean, they are also immigrating to the country? For that reason I taught that when they impose stricter rules, it would be harder to get a permit for my wife to be. But what are you saying this rules should not change for dependents of the people which already have permit? As non-EU, my permit needs to be applied-renewed yearly.
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Then I had totally wrong assumption. I taught that dependents also count against quota already. I mean, they are also immigrating to the country? For that reason I taught that when they impose stricter rules, it would be harder to get a permit for my wife to be. But what are you saying this rules should not change for dependents of the people which already have permit? As non-EU, my permit needs to be applied-renewed yearly.
Dependents and renewals are not subject to quotas. But if your permit is not renewed your wife's will not be either.
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Re: Another marriage question

I should find some time this week to visit the Zivilstandsamt.

Then I have one more question: my B permit needs to be renewed every year. This seems to be normal for non-EU? Will this be like that for every year till I get qualified for C permit (after 10 years)? How this renewal impact dependent permit application? The renewal is in November. For example I assume I can not start the dependent request close to my renewal process?
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Re: Another marriage question

You may get what is called an "open" B, meaning it's not tied to your employer, but I'm not sure exactly when that may happen. It can be after 2 years on an L and 3 years on a B, but whether that is the rule or just optional I don't know. If you do get an open B then it would become a 5 year renewal I think.

And no, not a good idea to start the process near to your renewal date. Best to do it just after you've renewed it.
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And no, not a good idea to start the process near to your renewal date. Best to do it just after you've renewed it.
How do you mean not a good idea Do you think that it would effect the application success result? Or just they will not allow to do this since first I need to renew mine? In that case if I need to renew in November, in which month my "window closes" for dependent application? Of course in your opinion

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How do you mean not a good idea Do you think that it would effect the application success result? Or just they will not allow to do this since first I need to renew mine? In that case if I need to renew in November, in which month my "window closes" for dependent application? Of course in your opinion

And many thanks for all the help. And for really quick response
If it's near to the renewal date then it's likely to be refused because there's no guarantee your permit will be renewed and may make it more difficult to get acceptance if you apply again. Once you have your new permit make the application as soon as you can after that. I would not try it before then.
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Re: Another marriage question

So if I don't get married this Winter and immediately file an application, and I proceed with plan marrying Mai-June 2017, you would wait till December 2017 to fill an application? But I still need to inform Zivilstandsamt that I'm married immediately after the marriage? Just wait with family reunification application?
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So if I don't get married this Winter and immediately file an application, and I proceed with plan marrying Mai-June 2017, you would wait till December 2017 to fill an application? But I still need to inform Zivilstandsamt that I'm married immediately after the marriage? Just wait with family reunification application?
No. I was thinking applying for the fiance visa to get married here between now and your permit renewal. If you get married in Switzerland the dependent's permit is already sorted. Well before your November 2017 renewal time if May-June next year is your target for the wedding.

If you marry abroad it may be more problematic, depending on whether any documents need to be translated into a Swiss language and/or apostilled. That can take months in some countries.
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Re: Another marriage question

And now I'm totally confused as there is a difference for marrying here or abroad... From my understanding there are 2 options for me:

1. Apply for the fiance visa this December, wait for few months processing time, she comes here if it is approved and we can marry next Summer. Here the complicated part is to get all the papers proving we are not already married in our country.

2. Get marrying in our country, notify the Zivilstandsamt and then start family reunification process. This process also takes some time so probably it can be started close to my visa renewal?

Am I correct?
And the magical question: is there any difference in odds for us living happily afters in Switzerland (or which option has better success rate)
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Yes. I don't think either has a better chance of success, it's more which you prefer to do.
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Doesn't matter! Pick one.....

Regardless of practical things.... Doesn't it make more sense to get married 'at home' with your friends and family?
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Doesn't matter! Pick one.....

Regardless of practical things.... Doesn't it make more sense to get married 'at home' with your friends and family?
I moved to Switzerland to get away from them
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I moved to Switzerland to get away from them
Haha Of course I will celebrate at home with friends and family. But that does not prevent me to do the "paperwork" in Switzerland and then organize celebration "at home".

So I know now what is the best timeline for doing a wedding (paperwork) in Switzerland. How would then process look if I'm marrying at home? Let say June weeding, in November my permit renewal.
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there are 2 options for me:

1. Apply for the fiance visa this December, wait for few months processing time, she comes here if it is approved and we can marry next Summer. Here the complicated part is to get all the papers proving we are not already married in our country.

2. Get marrying in our country, notify the Zivilstandsamt and then start family reunification process. This process also takes some time so probably it can be started close to my visa renewal?
In both cases you will need roughly the same paperwork, checked in the same way and it will take pretty much the same amount of time. I'd say: get married where you prefer to actually have the wedding.
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