Hi everyone,

My L-permit will end on 31 Dec 2006, and I would need your URGENT help on what should I do.

I and my girlfriend both are from South-East-Asia (it means we are non-Eu, and probably third-country.

For education I have a 5-year Bachelor in IT and a 3-year Master in IT (Information Technology, Computer Science), I have got 21 months of working as Research Assistant (intern student, to be precised) in a famous Research Institute in Switzerland, seperated in 2 periods, both with L-permit.

1. I would describe my situation in 3 following paragraphs, and ask some questions later.

- My current contract will end on 31 Dec 2006, and I don't have any new job. Infact, due to an hesitation of mine that I didn't say YES to one new job in Neuchatel that would start on 1st Jan 2007 (with a B-permit), then the employer told me that he has assigned the job to another person, if this person is answering negatively to this offer, then this employer would re-assign to me. My chance to be re-assigned is less than 30%.

- I want to get married with my girlfriend of permit-B (also from South-East-Asia), currently also working as research assistant in Vaud, also having a high-skilled profile, and her B-permit will expire on March 2008.

- I want to stay in Switzerland to find a new job, whether in Switzerland or other Eu-countries. I know that once I am in Switzerland, chances for finding a new job (in Eu) is much higher than if I am elsewhere, due to the need to do an on-site interview.


2. My questions are

(a). To get married, which canton (Vaud or Valais) should I submit my documents to ? I need it be fast.

(b). After getting married, what should I do to stay in Switzerland. How long will I have to wait to be a legal-permit-holder-as-a-spouse-of-a-B-permit-holder

(c). During the waiting period (which should be long since Noel and new year are coming), should I stay here legally (with L-permit expires on 31 Dec 2006) in some more months ?

(d). During the time waiting time to be a legal-permit-holder-as-a-spouse-of-a-B-permit-holder, can I find jobs in Switzerland ?

(e) During the time waiting time to be a legal-permit-holder-as-a-spouse-of-a-B-permit-holder, can I pass the border Switzerland-Germany/France/Italy to go for an interview somewhere, given the fact that the future employer would send me a letter of invitation to go there for an interview ?

I know that my post is long, so as my questions, but I need to clearify everything, so that you would understand exactly my situation and questions, and you would provide me with usefull and URGENT help.

Thanks alot for reading this post

Regards
STD

Hi,

I clearify more: both me and my girlfriend are having with us the
- Valid passport
- Valid working permit
- Certificate of Date of Birth
- Certificate of being currently Single (Celibataire)
- We have no children
- 4x6 portrait pictures
- enough money in banks
- large enough house to live together

Question: What else should we prepare ?

Thanks

And after 31.Dec.2006, I will move to live in my girlfriend's house, in Vaud

Thanks

do you know when the officials close over the Christmas period? Because likely they do, knowing beaurocrats.

Have you spoken also with your embassy or consulate? Do you have, for example, a birth certificate (notarised) and less than six months since issued? Have you been to the consulate for the notarised certificate of singledom?

Hi
Thanks for your quick help.

I've talked to the consulate of my country in Switzerland (in Bern), they will issue
- A certificate of birth in valid time (less than 6 months)
- A certificate of singledom in valid time

for me, but I am not sure if I can stay after 31.Dec.2006 for waiting for those.

Tomorrow I will ask the officials when do they close for Christmas

Thanks

You should be able to stay for a further 3 months as a tourist if nothing else...

Thank you AbFab, so

- Do I need to do anything to obtain that "tourism visa", is it just a sleep-and-wake-up-and-be-a-tourist or do I need to go to "Control des habitants"/"Etat civil"

thanks

One more general question: Do I miss the info somewhere? Sometime my questions are anwered somewhere inn this forum that I didn't read.

Please refer me to that answering to reduce your time answering me

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It was answered once L permit expiry date and leaving?, sorry for double asking about the possibility to stay.

This morning (21.Dec) I will also ask the officials about this

I've asked the embassy of my country in Switzerland, he told me to ask for a "prolongation of permit to wait for marriage" at the Commune d'XYZ (the place where my girlfriend lives).

I will report the stuffs here.

Thanks

good luck - on both fronts

Hello sorry for not replying earlier.

The embassy is exactly correct. Please be aware of the implications though.
You are obliged to marry within 6 months of the issuing of this prolongation. It is however extremely likely that they will push you to marry within 4 months.
Generally the prolongation will be with an A permit which is one for seasonal workers! You will struggle to get an interview with a serious employer based on this.
You are further obliged to marry in Switzerland - the legal part that is.

As far as marrying here is concerned start planning now it can take up to 2 months for them to organise everything and you cannot just marry where you want. It is normal to get married in the commune where either you or your partner live. It is however possible to marry anywhere that will marry you - if you don't live there, they are not obliged and often say no!!!

It is not a good idea to try to extend your stay with a holiday permit if you are intending to stay here - if you cannot organise everything within 3 months of its issue then you are not going to be allowed back in for a month! Be aware also that the Swiss can and it does happen ask you to leave within 14 days if you do nothing. Be also aware that the rush is not so great if you contact your commune *now* to tell them your plans - you will have until the 14.01.07 to get everything to the alien buro.

And finally you don't need luck just follow the rules and all will be fine.

Thanks so much for your helps,

There is a big change in our plan, and I will report here a little bit later.

Big change, but still on the same direction

C ya

Hi,

1. THE CANCELLATION: The change is that we have cancelled the marriage procedure carried out by our Commune, since the person in charge say:

- Even if I will have no problem with the police during the first two weeks of 2007 (confirmed by "Control d'habitant" of my commune),
- I might have some probability to be refused to marry my GF, since when the Canton have my documents on their table, which will highly be some day of 2007, I will be in a status of "staying without a valid permit"

for more information, when I ask my Commune for a "prolongation of permit to wait for a marriage", they seem to restrict my stay in to "we need to see some documents issued by the ETAT CIVIL, but in the mean time it is not stress since you can stay during the first weeks of 2007 to wait, the police cannot stop you". It means, they give no promise on my permit legal prolongation.

2. THE CHANGE: Then we ask our Embassy to do the marriage for us. They say: "It is OK and fast to get married at their place, but I might have some difficulties using this "certificate of marriage" in further administration works of mine:

- For asking a "permit as dependant of a B-permit holder"
- For looking for jobs

3. New questions, once things go fine and our marriage is legally admitted by our embassy:

a. What to do to get a new permit, and what kind of permit will I have ?
b. What kind of difficulties will I face in dealing with governmental stuffs ?
c. IPlease correct me if I am wrong: I think that my staying in Switz will facilitate my "going-to-meet-an-employer-and-being-able-to-be-directly-interviewd". So if I face some problem with permit, is that OK to negociate: "OK, my future employer, now you've meet me, you see who I am, then I will come back to my country to act as-if-you-find-me-over-the-internet, so that my dependant-permit would give you no difficulty"

Thanks
IRS

when you get married under your circumstances in your embassy the Swiss are still able to refuse you a permit be aware of this. They basically are wanting to ensure that this is not a marriage of convenience. Your rights also under the Charter on human rights will not apply. In other words you can take this step if you so wish but in all probability the Swiss will refuse to recognise it and refuse you a permit.

I do understand your situation and think that talking to your commune was the correct move but you really need to check out with them how they will react to your marrying in your embassy and try and get an agreement in advance that this will be acceptable.

If they are not going to give you any guarantees or agreement then I would STRONGLY recommend against it.

Although I understand what they are saying with respect to your marriage refusal this is actually only the partial truth. All you need to do is give a Swiss address AND a foreign address and then you can say you have been living at the foreign address while waiting for the formalities to be completed. It is true that if they can prove you are staying here illegally they will automatically refuse your wedding - hence the foreign address as well.

Thank you Richard,

Although didn't quite get all what you suggest, I really appreciate your providing information. I hope that our discussion as well as my situation's description can be helpful to at least some of us, of course me at the fore front.

Hi,

We went to the "Controle d'habitant" in our "commune" to ask for my permit to stay at my wife's place (we are husband and wife, happily).

They fill in my "Permit application form" as "family regroupment", and told me to find a job soon, before Feb 12, 2007, to legalize my waiting to get a permit-as-a-dependent-of-a-B-permit-holder.

Thank you all for helps so far

Happy new year to everybody in our forum.

Hi forum

I am back again. My situation is described in the posts above. Let me summarize
- Male, Non-Eu, IT Engineer.
- Have worked in Switz in 2006 with a L permit that ended on 31.Dec.2006
- Got married with a B-permit holder on 26.12.2006
- Submitted to the Authorities (Controle d'habitant communale = District resident control) on 27.12.1006 a "Request for renewing my working permit". I don't know what my new permit is, L or B-dependant?
- Got a 4-month internship in a Research Institute, France, waiting for my swiss permit so as to be able to ask for a French visa to enter the France.

What is important here is:
- Ask many times the District resident control "when can I have my permit, since I need a swiss permit to go to French Embassy for a French Visa to work in France". The people there simply answer: "You have to wait, it is normally 3 month to get a new working permit". It is never clear whether I can go abroad to work or must stay in Switzerland, no one told me so.

Today, 08.03.2007, I receive one letter from "Population Service, Foreigner Division, Vaud Canton", asking me to provide some documents, with a question:
- Do you intend to find a job? If possible, provide the formula 1350 and working contract.
(Yes I would find a job, but I haven't found a swiss job yet)

Then I come to the Disctrict Resident Control to ask, they told me that "A swiss permit is to work in Switzerland, not for going into France"

What? I've waited for more than 2 months just to hear this, why didn't they told me before ? If they told me earlier, I would cancel my French job and started finding a swiss job much earlier.

Are they true? Am I unable to goto France ?

Thasks for your time

I hope I am understanding the situation correctly....
If you want to stay in CH you need Swiss job. Why would CH issue permit for you to work in France? Your bold text would seem obvious to me. Richard will chime in soon as he is the all knowing master Good luck.

Thank you for your time, JamaicanRUM
I'm waiting for the great Forum Veteran

As CH is not part of the EU I would also imagine that a Swiss permit is only for working in CH. Did you contact your embassy or the embassy of France in CH to see what´s required for working in France? But I am not an expert on this so perhaps better to wait and hear what Richard says.

Ah, new format for quote. Thanks to the IT admin of the forum.

In waiting.... But I am changing to finding a job in CH. Quite suprised that IT Jobs in CH are mostly with Java. Oh no