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Re: Changing from B to C permit

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Have you known anyone unemployed apply? Have they had any problems?
Yes to the first and no to the second question.

They had to provide a bit of additional paperwork ( from the chômage) but otherwise no issues. An EU national o automatically got a C permit without requesting it.

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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Quick question.
I will be eligible for a C permit next year.
Do I need to learn German or even French would do?
Also is the Language Certification mandatory?
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Old 15.09.2015, 08:31
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Quick question.
I will be eligible for a C permit next year.
Do I need to learn German or even French would do?
Also is the Language Certification mandatory?
It depend on where you live and what nationality you are.
Learning the language of the area you live in is always a good idea.
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

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Took hubby 4 days to get his in Neuchâtel so there are some efficient cantons.
I find both posts interesting. My wife and I got our C permits in about two or three weeks, and we live in Aargau. But ours is a small gemeinde and they are very efficient.

In a related issue, was tax-a-source a recent policy for B permit holders? We never had that but we've been here for over 30 years.
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

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I find both posts interesting. My wife and I got our C permits in about two or three weeks, and we live in Aargau. But ours is a small gemeinde and they are very efficient.

In a related issue, was tax-a-source a recent policy for B permit holders? We never had that but we've been here for over 30 years.
It depends on the Migrationsamt though really as the Gemeinde simply sends the application to Aarau where it is dealt with.

When I was on a B-permit I was taxed at source when I worked for a company. So it is not a recent policy. Perhaps if you were not working for a company as an employee your tax arrangements were different.
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

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Need minimum 5 years in Switzerland before your c permit application will even be considered as a non EU. You are eligible to apply early i.e. after 5 years.
Does it mean that the one cannot apply for the early C permit in the end of the 5th year? E.g. if we came to Switzerland on 01.08.2011 and our current B permit ends on 31.07.2016 we cannot apply for C in sommer 2016 and have to wait one more year?
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

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Does it mean that the one cannot apply for the early C permit in the end of the 5th year? E.g. if we came to Switzerland on 01.08.2011 and our current B permit ends on 31.07.2016 we cannot apply for C in sommer 2016 and have to wait one more year?
You can apply for the C-permit if you have been here for 5 years or more, or will have been here for 5 years on the day the B-permit expires. This was my experience. I applied for the C-permit around 2 months before the B-permit expired. I received a C-permit.
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You can apply for the C-permit if you have been here for 5 years or more, or will have been here for 5 years on the day the B-permit expires. This was my experience. I applied for the C-permit around 2 months before the B-permit expired. I received a C-permit.
This depends on your nationality (and is not as simple as EU/EFTA vs. non-EU/EFTA either.) The general rule is 10 years, but Switzerland has treaties in place which give nationals of certain countries the right to apply sooner.
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

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This depends on your nationality (and is not as simple as EU/EFTA vs. non-EU/EFTA either.) The general rule is 10 years, but Switzerland has treaties in place which give nationals of certain countries the right to apply sooner.
We are going to apply for an early C Permit for non-EU/US etc, but none of us have German certificates yet. So now we consider, wether we have to apply in 2016 or 2017.

I have one more question re the German knowledge requirement (Kanton ZH), maybe someone knows the answer. If one of the spouses has unlimited contract and the other doesn't work, should the person who works have level B1 and the other spouse level A2 or it could be vice versa?
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Ct. Zurich has a lengthy document that discusses issuance of C permits, at the below link. From my reading of 5.1 and 5.2, the employed person must demonstrate a German level of at least B1 and the spouse at least A2 in order to apply for an early C permit:

http://www.ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherh...+1.06.2015.pdf
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

I can confirm this. We come from Romania and today we were told that, if we want C permit after 5 years B permit, first we need to send the language certificate (at least B1) and a proof from our employer that we have unlimited contracts. The paper from the employer needs to say how many hours a week we work. The lady was very specific about the working hours. After this we will get a response with all other things that they need.

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Ct. Zurich has a lengthy document that discusses issuance of C permits, at the below link. From my reading of 5.1 and 5.2, the employed person must demonstrate a German level of at least B1 and the spouse at least A2 in order to apply for an early C permit:

http://www.ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherh...+1.06.2015.pdf
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Do you HAVE to get a C permit after 5 years? The not-taxing-at-source thing just seems like a nuisance to me, though maybe there's brilliant benefits that I'm not aware of?!
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Soon it will be a prerequisite for naturalization.
Allows leaving the country for up to 6 months without loosing it.
In a prolonged unemployment makes it easier to tap into social safety net.
For non-EU makes - not tied to employer, so easier employer change.
Renewal much easier - only heavily social help dependent might face issues.
Some employers and landlords prefer "Inländer".
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Allows leaving the country for up to 6 months without loosing it.
You could potentially leave/be away for much longer than 6 months, whether on a B-permit for 5 years or a C-permit, in theory it's not supposed to happen/be allowed, but I doubt anyone would notice, as long as you open and answer your mail where necessary and keep up with your tax returns and payments you should be alright! You would only lose it if you hand it back or tell them you are leaving. The downside to that would be you would then have to reapply to get back in and would be given a B-permit all over again!
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From my reading of 5.1 and 5.2, the employed person must demonstrate a German level of at least B1 and the spouse at least A2 in order to apply for an early C permit:
Thanks. I have similar understanding, but I thought maybe someone's personal experience proves the opposite.
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You could potentially leave/be away for much longer than 6 months, whether on a B-permit for 5 years or a C-permit, in theory it's not supposed to happen/be allowed, but I doubt anyone would notice, as long as you open and answer your mail where necessary and keep up with your tax returns and payments you should be alright! You would only lose it if you hand it back or tell them you are leaving. The downside to that would be you would then have to reapply to get back in and would be given a B-permit all over again!
Not necessarily. If you do it "properly", i.e put the permit on hold if you're being sent abroad by your Swiss employer, doing military service or undertaking further education, then you would get your C permit back again when you return.

Also bear in mind the vote to curb immigration from the EU and what effect that may have for EU nationals. If the Free Movement disappears then any EU national leaving Switzerland will be recorded on exit and if their permit isn't put on hold they may not be allowed back in again if they're over the 6 month period for B/C permits.
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

Free movement is not Schengen agreement, so while employment could be restricted, border crossing checks could remain lax. On va voir.
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Re: Changing from B to C permit

If Free Movement goes the whole bi-lateral thing with the EU may go as well.
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If Free Movement goes the whole bi-lateral thing with the EU may go as well.
Wouldn't be a bad thing at all, on the contrary, Switzerland was a better place before all of the nonsense with the EU started in any case. Moreover the end of free movement seems to be what the vast majority of people want here anyhow!
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Not necessarily. If you do it "properly", i.e put the permit on hold if you're being sent abroad by your Swiss employer, doing military service or undertaking further education, then you would get your C permit back again when you return.
If you have no valid reason from their list of accepted reasons, then you have little choice but not to inform them. I knew one girl on a new C-permit in Ticino, but actually then moved back to Dublin for 3 years whilst this was running. She said there was no way she was going back to the hassle of a B-permit when she returned and frankly I can't say I blame her! It seems if you keep up with your mail, taxes etc. they don't actually notice what is occurring. There could be hundreds, possibly a couple of thousand of these cases nationwide.
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Also bear in mind the vote to curb immigration from the EU and what effect that may have for EU nationals. If the Free Movement disappears then any EU national leaving Switzerland will be recorded on exit and if their permit isn't put on hold they may not be allowed back in again if they're over the 6 month period for B/C permits.
Yes, it's this 'coming back' question that is an interesting point.
If ones does do it properly like you say, and hands back the C-permit, presumably not only would one have to apply for a 5 year B-permit upon return (non-working), you would also have to meet strict monthly income requirements to get back in, (even if you own your own property in Switzerland!), this would create an odd situation. You own property here, but legally you are not entitled to live in it because you no longer possess a permit and your monthly income is too low for you to be granted one, how is that meant to work? There must have been cases...
It interests me as I believe if I risked it, by leaving (for more than 6 months, no valid reason) and notifying my departure, handing back my C-permit, I might not qualify to get back in with a new B-permit in the future (whether there has been a change in the law or not regarding free movement), just to be able to live in my own flat!

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Re: Changing from B to C permit

I received B permit because of civil partnership.
I submit extension formular for said B permit at the end of august this year.
But beucase i've been holding B for 5 years, I then write on the formular that i'd like to apply for C.
I asked the nice lady in Gemeinde if there is any other documents that i should submit. She said the migrationamt will ask me later. Now is early Nov, i have not heard anything from the Gemeinde nor the migrationamt. My actual B Permit ended on 30th Nov. I'll be out of CH for a 3 weeks vacation tomorrow. Hopefully it'll be done when i get back though..

How long does it normally take to process the permit? Is there a case when the permit issued after the last one expired? What to do when you get back and your permit still not processed yet? Do you have to come to Gemeinde for a special letter to explain why you stay with an expired permit?

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