Hello

I've searched high and low on this, but just wondered if anybody has any experience or direct knowledge which may help me.

What are the chances of a B permit being revoked, once a person is unemployed, living on Social Security, hasn't paid tax, submitted a tax return, paid VAT, and has several 'Betreibungen' running against them?

I'm pretty sure I know the answer, just wondering how strict the authorities are on this? ie. would this person be asked to leave? and if so, how long do they get?

In the hands of the Gods. One can optimise one's situation by forging a relationship with the appropriate authorities and offer lots of paperwork: they love their paperwork.

However, it's not - yet - a police state and the cross-departmental communications are pretty sketchy. Be nice to to them, show willingness to comply and one should be OK. Keep us posted on your 'friends' situation.

I'm kind of hoping the authorities will talk to each other and the 'friend' would not have the permit renewed.

I was under the impression they were pretty strict on this sort of thing but it seems the wheels move slowly.....

Even if the wheels move slowly however once the gate is shut it will be down for good. It takes for authorities time to make a decision but they do not miss things! Best is to get another job

Thanks for the replies.

Does anybody have a rough idea how long the RAV/Gemeinde would support somebody on a B Permit if they are unable to find work and are in debt?

Without knowing their specific situation, they are probably eligible for the same amount as others which is about 1 1/2 years of payments stretched over 2 years.

The debt issue is not relevant to the unemployment office.

I am relatively new to Switzerland and haven't thought about the social system yet, but it would be nice to know what happens should the wheels fall off.

If I earn salary S and have worked here for M months what does the benefit B look like if you get made unemplyed?

Is B = 0 for some values of M?

For how long would I be paid B? Does my permit (B-permit) only give me the right of abode if I can support myself or does the state pick up the slack if the going gets rough?
I am not planning on being unemployed, but I feel I should no more about these things than I do.

there are lost of threads on this subject & I don't know about the visa issue, there are also some cantonal differences but as a general view:

unemployment pays 75% single & 80% married&/or with kids of your monthly salary up to a certain threshold CHF8900 (+/- don't know exact).
you are entitled to (+/-) 545 days paid which you can spread out over 2 years. you get more if you are over 50.

to qualify you must have a qualifying permit. i think there are still permits that don't qualify you unemployment. you must have worked for 12 months in the last 2 years.

ok, that's a quick & dirty overview.

requirements for vaud: click here.

I'll tell you the story of a friend of mine.

She was studying at the University in Geneva, after many years, ( 8 or something ) and her studies arrived to the end. She just inscribed herself on another faculty to start new studies.

The authorities didn't accepted this and didn't renew the B permit and asked her to leave.

She presented an appeal and her situation was being reviewed by the authorities.

This took several months. ( 7 or 8 I remember ) she had no B but was expecting the renewal.

She was employed but on an employment at part time and linked to the B.

One day, the police showed up at her door at 5am.

Asked her to get dressed, took her direct to the Airport and put her on the next flight to her country of origin.

Just like this, by surprise and at dawn.

She manage to return as a tourist to take care of her things. ( she had a studio fully furnished ) .

So, be warned, you could be thinking the authorities are being slow on your requests and wait, and one day the police will come and put you out fast.

Wow! That's one hell of a story!
Was your friend claiming any benefits at that time?

I can only assume that in time the authorities will talk to each other and arrive at (the right) decision. I can't see how they would continue to support a person who hasn't paid taxes, unless they somehow believe by keeping them here, they may, at some point, get their money back.

No, she never claimed benefits or was unemployed.

I guess they will not think about your benefits as an investment they had to get back and for that reason keep you here.

It is exactly the opposite, you are costing them money so better get rid of you.

sorry for the harshness but that's more like it IMHO

Good, I hope they do get rid, the sooner the better. Even better if they pay for a one way flight

This actually depends entirely on whether you have a B permit because you are a citizen of the EU or not.

With an EU B permit it is very unlikely that you will be "booted out". It also entitles you to more financial help especially if there are kids or other dependants.

After a certain period of time (I am unsure how long) the RAV will more or less force you to take a job even if it is below your education level etc.

If the person in this situation is married and the spouse stays here be aware that the spouse can then be responsible for the debts...

Perhaps it's more a case of the permit just not being renewed then?

The person is divorced. Employment prospects bleak, due to age and past history.

There are many kinds of 'B' permit. On your 'livret' (permit) is indicated what kind you have (though sometimes you must check with Control de L'habitant). Most B permits are renewable each year by the employer OR by the unemployed worker who is collecting benefits. If you are non-EU, the B permit will be tied to your employer so you can't change jobs easily. When you're unemployed, if you have worked at least a year, you can collect unemployment AND they will renew your permit. If you're over your benefits, then you have to start worrying about whether they will renew it or not. I suggest you check out the employment websites like job up or monster or www.qual.ch (if you're an expert, specialist or manager type) and get another job !!!