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Can infant travel to France without passport?

We are still waiting for our 2- month old son's birth certificate.

We had a holiday planned for the south of France this week. My husband is saying that I can travel with my son (who has no legal documents - passport, birth certificate, permits) on the train to Uzes from Zurich and will not be asked for identification at the border. Apparently, this is because Switzerland is now part of the Schengen. If we were travelling by car, I would probably take the chance to travel without the documents.


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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

We were advised to take our daughters birth certificate with us while we waited for her passport. BUT we were never stopped to find out if this was ok.
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

We've also been told to at least have the birth cert.
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We are still waiting for our 2- month old son's birth certificate.

We had a holiday planned for the south of France this week. My husband is saying that I can travel with my son (who has no legal documents - passport, birth certificate, permits) on the train to Uzes from Zurich and will not be asked for identification at the border. Apparently, this is because Switzerland is now part of the Schengen. If we were travelling by car, I would probably take the chance to travel without the documents.


Has anyone been in a similar position?

Every person, no matter how old, MUST have adequate travel docs in order to travel. CH being part of Shengen does not waive the fact that you must have proper docs for your kid. Do not do anything which you might regret.
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

Without any official documents or identity papers how can you prove the baby belongs to you?

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We are still waiting for our 2- month old son's birth certificate.

We had a holiday planned for the south of France this week. My husband is saying that I can travel with my son (who has no legal documents - passport, birth certificate, permits) on the train to Uzes from Zurich and will not be asked for identification at the border. Apparently, this is because Switzerland is now part of the Schengen. If we were travelling by car, I would probably take the chance to travel without the documents.


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Old 30.06.2009, 12:52
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

Personally, I would not take the risk. Also, if unfortunately the child needs to go to the hospital... you will have problems.
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Old 30.06.2009, 13:41
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

I don't know much about the legal aspects of this, but we travelled into France and Germany quite often with our daughter, while we waited for the passport. In almost 3 years here, I've never been checked for my passport, so we didn't think too much about it.

However, if we hadn't had the birth certificate, I wouldn't have done it. Having no proof of identity at all seems like a recipe for a bureaucratic nightmare on the (admittedly small) chance you will get stopped.

Although CH is in Schengen now, I notice that the major border crossings still have people there at times, for what purpose I do not know.
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

Hi

Just a couple of months back, we wanted to visit Germany and I called the embassy and they told me you need ausweiss or passport to travel, not even the birth certificate is sufficient.

If someone stops you at the border then how do you prove without the passport that this is your baby. Passport and permit has all the relevant details for the officer to check. I would not risk it thinking that no one will check.

Just my experience.
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

The Schengen rules (which by the way are available online in English) state that carrying a passport is mandatory when crossing borders. Your husband falsely concluded that the new control system has ended this requirement.
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

Are you wondering if kidnapping is legal? It's not. I am sure it's not what you are asking. But, they do randomly ask for documents, and if you want to avoid a night in jail, get proper documentation before traveling. I have been to many places, and before you are crying your eyes out to a customs whatever, get it before you travel. I really don't understand why you made travel arrangments before getting your child's birth certificate.
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

Follow up with the birth registry and try to get your documents fast-tracked.

Without a birth certificate, I wouldn't take my child out of the town, let alone out of the country.

Were you given any indication on how long it would take to get the passport issued...

Did you take a copy of the paperwork before you submitted it ?
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

From where is/are the birth certificate(s) coming? We had a Swiss one within a week and a British one within 2 weeks of application for our son.

I certainly wouldn't travel without at least a birth certificate and it is doubtful that you would be allowed to cross any borders without a passport for the baby if you are stopped.

Ring the relevant departments and explain that you need to travel at certain date and need the documents before then.
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

The fact that most of the time people do not get stopped crossing the borders in cars doesn't mean you aren't obliged to have the necessary ID. On a train there is no way around it, they check everybody.

Having a birth cert is only a start, it isn't actually enough identification. When my child was born here we planned our first trip for when he was a month old, but luckily we organised the birth cert and passport on time. Not that a photo of a newborn is reliable ID! Unrecognisable one month later!
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

Thanks to all for replying.

We are staying put in Zurich until we have a passport.
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

Hi, I am still not sure from what I read - can an infant travel with a Swiss permit and/or birth certificate (no official ID/passport from his home country - born in Switzerland)?
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Hi, I am still not sure from what I read - can an infant travel with a Swiss permit and/or birth certificate (no official ID/passport from his home country - born in Switzerland)?
This discussion thread concerns Germans in Switzerland and Denmark who would like to travel to Germany with their newborns. It might be useful:

https://translate.google.com/transla...tml&edit-text=
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

Old conversation but same applies .. You should have travel documents to travel across any border, passport, ID card etc.. But in reality, we live about 2km from the FR border and we travel two-three times per week for visits, clubs, shopping etc and rarely have proper documentation. We've been stopped numerous times on the way back into CH but not once have they checked our ID, it's usually just window down - "have you been shopping?" and occasionally they take a look in the boot of the car.

Yeah I know .. One of these days we'll get trouble, probably when oldest daughters passports expires in a couple of months and we don't even have it at home.
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

Like John I go back and forth (train not plane) and was asked 1 time in years (was after the bombing and was by swiss customs)

I usually have a scan on my phone but not the actual passports.

As much as I hate to say this, I think the level of risk also would depend on your demographic. I have seen people stopped for papers a few times over the years and they where not white europeans.
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

My youngest grandchild was born in June in England. British birth certificate was sent in to the Swiss regional consular office end of November (just prior to the six-month limit of acceptance of civil-status documents, after which a new certif would have had to be ordered).

Consular officer replied:

"Thank you for sending in your son's birth certificate.

"I have now translated, legalised and forwarded it to your place of origin. Please note that the registration of a birth can take several weeks. Upon we receive a confirmation of registration from your place of origin, we will inform you accordingly."

Don't know if a passport could be ordered before that happens, but the child isn't going anywhere until it arrives, which from experience says is two weeks or so after being ordered.

Pity those who live far away from their accredited consulate. I have seen online complaints from Swiss in Hawaii ("There are a little more than 800 Swiss people living in Hawaii" the Consulate General in San Francisco told me when I asked) who have to travel to SF for passport renewal.

The London consular clerk told me that they go on occasional visits, including to Ireland. And apparently consulates elsewhere have staff who travel, presumably to every jurisdiction across a national border to which they are accredited, in the absence of some other procedure for remote issuance or renewal of passports. She said they bring their photo machine with them (in a van?)
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Re: Can infant travel to France without passport?

I finally took a risk - I went from Neuchatel to Geneva border (on the way to Annecy) and checked with both Customs officers: Swiss and French - birth certificate (Swiss one) for an infant (non-Swiss, but EU Citizen) is enough. None of them didn't quote any legal article or at least a brochure, but still gave me the above information without hesitation.
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