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16.03.2010, 21:25
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | Holy god, what can I answer to this insane bullshit? whee did I invoke Hitler? or do you only see what you want to see? | | | | | forgive my ignorance, then what do you mean by "collecting people and gas them?"
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16.03.2010, 21:26
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | and no, this has nothing to do with Godwin´s law | | | | | Are you aware of what Godwin's Law is?
It just means you evoked Nazism in an Internet argument that didn't start off talking about that subject.
Well . . . you did mention that, so yes, the Law has been invoked.
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16.03.2010, 21:26
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | Holy god, what can I answer to this insane bullshit? whee did I invoke Hitler? or do you only see what you want to see? | | | | | Sorry if that wasn't clear - you didn't invoke Hitler on all Germans, but you seem to be attacking Germans, in general.
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16.03.2010, 21:31
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | whee did I invoke Hitler? or do you only see what you want to see? | | | | | You talked about Germans and then talked about collecting people and gassing them.
If you're not talking about Nazi oppression what are you talking about? I'm unaware of any other regime or period of history in which this happened.
It's incredibly distasteful of you.
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16.03.2010, 21:38
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | Call me a devious bigot if that makes you feel better, I don't really care what a self-hating German thinks or feels about me.
Please try to keep on topic rather than discussing me as a person, yes? | | | | | My first dissection of your bigoted comments would be that it is hypocritical to say those two things immediately after the other. | Quote: | |  | | | Well that explains your hardcore socialist stance (you being German that is). | | | | | This is a sweeping generalisation apportioning political views to an individual based solely on their nation of birth. At worst, racism, at best, narrow minded, in either event, incorrect. | Quote: | |  | | | Sorry if I seem unfriendly in the post I am a bit stressed today and no offence is intended. | | | | | You don't get to make offensive statements just because you're stressed - we're not kids, that argument cuts no mustard. | Quote: | |  | | | But you forget that we are not all Germans!
You have a warped and perverted view of the world, not all people behave like you do just because we questions things, please try to understand that!
Just because we critizise or question we dont start collecting people in camps and gas them, so therefore we are not as worried as you are, makes sense? | | | | | The only person with a warped and perverted view of the world is the man who's opinion of Germany is stuck in 1946. | Quote: | |  | | | of course not 
but her view on the world is tinted with the "oh my god we all go extremist if we question things spiegel TV told us where dangerous!!"
I lived in DE for many years so I know what I am talking about.
my point is that I and most people can critizses and question a lot of things without going "extremist". | | | | | The fact that you live in Germany for many years does not mean that you know anything about Treverus' political views. The only extremist statements are the ones you made in the quoted posts above, and Treverus has actually been pretty reserved and measured in reply. | Quote: | |  | | | Well little buddy I do stand for my views even if they are non-PC aka "think as everyone else or I will not be popular" views. | | | | | Once again this is hypocritical / contradictory. In a modern society you do not get to spout whatever offensive statements you like, and then justify them by saying you " stand for your views even if they are non-PC". Particularly, you cannot do so and then assert that everyone else is being extremist by disagreeing with them. That is, unless you want nobody to take your points seriously (which, incidentally we don't.) | Quote: | |  | | | In case of making a statement like you did, please point out my wrongdoings and prove me wrong instead of gurgling that everyday BS, please? | | | | | As requested, please see the above. | Quote: | |  | | | and no, this has nothing to do with Godwin´s law, the fact you can not even see that makes it apparent that you are nothing more than a shav trying to imitate civilized people by enforcing your BS views according to what you think others would accept. | | | | | I was trying to give you a route out of this train wreck, but you clearly chose not to take it.
Childish response coming in 3...2...1...
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16.03.2010, 21:41
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16.03.2010, 21:44
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Guys you can all relax: Hannu is just a Troll, do not take his post serious and do not comment on the rubbish. That only makes him happy.
Has any of you ever met a Swedish person who remotely thinks this way? I have literally met hundreds of Swedes and no, there is hardly anything like the SVP there. Let alone one who is so desperately attempting to **** people off. Absolutely not Scandinavian and so is his English. Been to various places in the EU? Why do you continuously use North American English terms then? I learned British English at school and the Swedes I worked with for years were all very much oriented to the UK, not the US. The aggressiveness and childish Nazi comparisons remind me of a certain banned user. The introduction post asking for affairs fits right in as well.
Welcome back, you still do not get laid?
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16.03.2010, 22:30
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | I think you are facing another issue - the client is beginning to understand that IT guys tend to just offer commodity skills - there is added value in when they do what they are told to do but they need to be told, i.e. their being what used to be understood as a knowledge worker is being called into question - especially given the client abuses of the dot com era.
Furthermore there is, in IT, little you can get better with, there hasn't been a decent advancement in the science for twenty odd years - the only thing one can do to improve ones skill-set is improve ones industry know-how. Unfortunately very few IT guys understand this and end up hitting 40 wondering why they are bored witless and then go off to start organic watercress farms .. | | | | | I have to say I am quite taken aback by this response, I think its one of the most offensive posting's I've come across in all my time here. Do you work in IT ? And if so, for how long have you worked in it ?
It has been my career now for closing in on 20 years and to describe me as a man who has "commodity skills" and "needs to be told what to do" is both wrong and pretty insulting I must say. Can I ask what you do please ?
In the past 20 years, as I am sure you know as you are so knowledgeable about it, IT has changed immeasurably and in that time we have adapted to a consistently mutating business environment. It is the rather simple attitudes such as yours that are often the most frustrating to deal with, where a clear misunderstanding of the value of IT to the business is most seen.
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Reason: toned it down
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16.03.2010, 22:43
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: |  | | | and up hitting 40 wondering why they are bored witless and then go off to start organic watercress farms | | | | | So what you're saying is ... IT guys have all earnt enough by the time they're 40 to be able to quit the rat race and indulge in their hobbies and flights of fancy? Sounds good to me!
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16.03.2010, 22:43
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | Furthermore there is, in IT, little you can get better with, there hasn't been a decent advancement in the science for twenty odd years. | | | | | No advances in IT in the last twenty years?
Have you been living in a cave?
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16.03.2010, 22:58
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One with broadband ;)
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17.03.2010, 00:44
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | As quickly as I like; sounds like I choose to live with my life "on hold". Take a step and think about what it would be like not to be able to go on holiday; not to buy dinner out; not do anything that wasn't optional and then imagine what it would be like if you found yourself in that position for the best part of 2 years. I didn't choose to be out of the job market for an extended break; If I could have used my time far more productively then I fear I have been able to.... | | | | | I have to say of all the countries in the world to be unemployed, this must be one of the worst...except for the what I hear is generous unemployment benefit, but then it would have to be here, wouldn't it?
I don't see that the quota makes a lot of difference; instead of being able to get someone from India, they got me in. So I've my job to thank (can I call it thanks? I got paid today, wrongly, for the first time) for the quota - but I came from outside.
Having said that, it must be nice to work in one of these bulletproof industries and not have to worry about the unemployment that a lot of people in the real world in these enlightened, banker fuelled times worry about - unemployment that is 20% in Berlin, capital of the strongest European economy, that will rise steadily all over Europe over the next two years, resulting in 4 million + unemployed in Britain alone and 80s style riots.
A teacher. I should become one. Big holidays and the joys of working with the little people, job satisfaction. Or perhaps a banker. They're still getting big bonuses, despite being bailed out by, er, me. bankers.
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17.03.2010, 09:45
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17.03.2010, 09:51
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | I have to say of all the countries in the world to be unemployed, this must be one of the worst...except for the what I hear is generous unemployment benefit, but then it would have to be here, wouldn't it? | | | | | Why do you think it's so bad to be unemployed here? Where do you think it's good to be unemployed?
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17.03.2010, 09:53
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | Why do you think it's so bad to be unemployed here? Where do you think it's good to be unemployed? | | | | | I think it is never good to be unemployed, but the financial safety you enjoy here is pretty unique for 2010. It used to be common in Europe in the 70s, but has declined to some really low level in the neighbouring countries. So yes: If it does happen to you, you are still lucky to be in Switzerland...
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17.03.2010, 10:45
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | Guys you can all relax: Hannu is just a Troll, do not take his post serious and do not comment on the rubbish. That only makes him happy.
Has any of you ever met a Swedish person who remotely thinks this way? I have literally met hundreds of Swedes and no, there is hardly anything like the SVP there. Let alone one who is so desperately attempting to **** people off. Absolutely not Scandinavian and so is his English. Been to various places in the EU? Why do you continuously use North American English terms then? I learned British English at school and the Swedes I worked with for years were all very much oriented to the UK, not the US. The aggressiveness and childish Nazi comparisons remind me of a certain banned user. The introduction post asking for affairs fits right in as well.
Welcome back, you still do not get laid? | | | | | LOL
I beg to differ
Cipolla's no.2 of the Five Basic Laws of Stupidity states otherwise 2. The probability that a certain person be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
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17.03.2010, 10:55
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| | | Re: Permit reduction is a good thing | Quote: | |  | | | I have to say I am quite taken aback by this response, I think its one of the most offensive posting's I've come across in all my time here. Do you work in IT ? And if so, for how long have you worked in it ?
It has been my career now for closing in on 20 years and to describe me as a man who has "commodity skills" and "needs to be told what to do" is both wrong and pretty insulting I must say. Can I ask what you do please ?
In the past 20 years, as I am sure you know as you are so knowledgeable about it, IT has changed immeasurably and in that time we have adapted to a consistently mutating business environment. It is the rather simple attitudes such as yours that are often the most frustrating to deal with, where a clear misunderstanding of the value of IT to the business is most seen. | | | | | yeah this insulting indeed!. In fact, I take this very personally... | |
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