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I don't mean to sound ignorant but my neighbours have rabbits and during the day they are outside in an enclosure, but in the early evening the owners put them in the hutch for the night. Are rabbits normally left outside? Yes, we live in the country, and no, my car cables have never been chewed.

A couple of years ago the parrot in the garden centre was attacked and he died. It was thought he was attacked by a marten.
Been living outdoors for three years now, but I expanded the enclosure a few months ago.

New idea is to only let her loose in the large enclosure when we are around, and restricted to the fully enclosed enclosure when we are not.

Currently recuperating for a few weeks on the balcony.

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Old 17.06.2011, 00:13
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Sorry for your rabbits Tom! Seems a perfect retribution to set some traps for the martins and visit your local tanner, perhaps your lovely would enjoy a new stole or some fur lined gloves.
Or, I wonder if "marten" stew tastes similar to "squirrel" stew?

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Old 17.06.2011, 00:29
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marten = weasel
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Old 17.06.2011, 00:34
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Any bets on duel between meerkats against one marten?

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Old 17.06.2011, 00:37
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marten = weasel
Related, but not the same.

Marten = marder = faina = fouine

Weasel = Wiesel = donnola = belette

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Old 17.06.2011, 00:50
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I saw 'Martens' mentioned somewhere in my car insurance blurb (previous Marten damage??) and you've just prompted me to google these evil, vicious creatures.



Errr?
cool pet. you can feed it your old car and save on disposal costs.
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Old 17.06.2011, 01:18
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awwww they're cute.... but I wouldn't underestimate them at all.
They can cause a lot of damage, though usually only to cars.
Sorry for your bunnies.
Yeah, I'm sorry for the bunny havoc as well.

But, I love Mustelids. Ounce for ounce they are the most powerful mammals on the planet. Otters are in the same family. I have heard it said that it is a good thing that otters are normally not prone to going after humans.

I kept ferrets for quite a few years so I like the furry little buggers.
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Old 17.06.2011, 10:44
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Those of us who've been folowing Spring Watch on BBC TV, saw a film of one of them catching and killing rabbits 4 times their size in the wild. Did anybody else watch it- amazing footage. I'm afraid that Pine Martens are built for business, and in the UK one of the main predators for the huge population of rabbits (with the fox- both doing a very good job to keep numbers down).
I didn't see Springwatch but as a kid I remember reading in a Reader's Digest nature book that Pine Martens were/are Britain's rarest mammal and only lived in rural Scotland. I just read on the Beeb Nature website that they are extinct in England and Wales. So I would guess in the UK they are protected.
My girlfriend's friend's father is a German farmer and a hunter. He once caught a marten put it in a cage and hung it from a fruit tree to scare off the birds. He also didn't feed the marten, so after a while it starved to death!!! Hmmmm are they really that evil? (by the way, I'm talking about Martens not Germans )

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Old 17.06.2011, 11:10
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Or, I wonder if "marten" stew tastes similar to "squirrel" stew?

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I'm thinking no because of their diet. If one enjoys the taste of the meat of other carnivores though, perhaps marten stew may be good.


According to Wiki, the young will be emerging now, perhaps that's why the rabbits came into problems, hungry, learning to hunt youths along with the mother (both parents?) there to help and teach. Perhaps making sure any gaps are smaller (or closed off) will help, the younger martens are smaller and able to get in spots where bunny is too big to get out.

Also according to Wiki, they've been credited with reducing the population of grey squirrels in the UK. Perhaps helping to increase / reintroduce numbers of pine martins in areas where grey squirrels have displaced the red squirrels may help bring the reds back.


Odile, the problem with the grey squirrels is that they're not native to Europe and they take over where they go, pushing / starving out the European Red Squirrels. So, figure the hate for the greys is similar to arguments between sheep farms and cattle farms... the sheep eat grass down to the point that the cattle can't survive on the same land, so the "hate" develops.
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Old 17.06.2011, 11:14
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Re: Damned martens!

Yup there are two kinds of Marders or Martins one comes in meat and the other comes in iron, all are dangorus to cars and rabbits.
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Old 17.06.2011, 11:21
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Re: Damned martens!

Of course I know about the greys not being indigenous, and that they are a big threat to the reds, etc. It cost us a fortune to replace our roof and electrics at our latest house in UK to to greys. But I never 'hated' them despite having to get rid of them for practical reasons- so always made sure they were dispatched quickly and painlessly. We have acquaintances in France who regularly kill their coypus with rat poison which is totally unsuitable for such a large animal. They bleed internally for days or even weeks, a slow and terribly painful death. Their excuse : ' they are vermin' - however much you have to get rid of animals that cause damage, they deserve to be dispatched humanely. As said before the animal is not responsible for the 'job' given to them by nature, even if it clashes with our lifestyle. For Pine or beech martens, I'd say to try and take all preventive measures first.

BTW for the French speakers among us. Beech marten = fouine Pine marten = marte.

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Old 17.06.2011, 15:47
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I'm thinking no because of their diet. If one enjoys the taste of the meat of other carnivores though, perhaps marten stew may be good.
But if part of their diet is brake cables and tyres I bet they taste a bit rubbery.

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Also according to Wiki, they've been credited with reducing the population of grey squirrels in the UK. Perhaps helping to increase / reintroduce numbers of pine martins in areas where grey squirrels have displaced the red squirrels may help bring the reds back.


Odile, the problem with the grey squirrels is that they're not native to Europe and they take over where they go, pushing / starving out the European Red Squirrels.
I'm sure martens find red squirrels equally delicious as grey ones.

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Of course I know about the greys not being indigenous, and that they are a big threat to the reds, etc. It cost us a fortune to replace our roof and electrics at our latest house in UK to to greys. But I never 'hated' them

Al Murray, The Pub Landlord hates squirrels (as he thinks they may be plotting to attack the British queen?).....



( www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-7I2h0yt64 "Hoy. Oi you little bast*rd. We're onto you." Maybe martens in the UK are on Her Majesty's service)
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Re: Damned martens!

Not the same animal, we had a pet weasel once & it did not look like the photo posted & stayed quite small.

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Re: Damned martens!

couple of days ago i almost rear ended a car because my brakes went limp in the middle of the road, pretty scary stuff

it turns the brake fluid hose was chewed away while my car was parked outside (we live near the forest), the brake fluid was completely gone...first, why wouldnt they make this piece of hose from steel? second, checking the brakes wouldnt have worked for me because they were OK during the first hour of my driving, but ultimately gave away
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Re: Damned martens!

Horse hair stuffed into an old pair of tights under the bonnet of the car deters them ! They hate the smell.
Also you can attach these under the Rabbit hutches where they will be dry enough but the Martens will hopefully be deterred.

Are your hutches elevated ? Martens can climb but puting cones (facing downward) on the legs will help stop them but be aware as I saw one jumping up a wall nearly 4 feet up.

I really hope you get this sorted as they are terrible pests !
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Re: Damned martens!

There was a story a few years ago in Englanshire that a bunch of Hippy Tree hugging PETA Activists broke into a Mink factory and let hundreds of the buggers out

Unfortunately for them, some young mum was letting her baby sleep outside in the pram a few miles away when these little bastards attacked the baby. As far as I remember the baby survived (just) but will be physically scarred for life. They are merciless killers !

I also witnessed a stoat (which is the size of a goldfish fgs !) chase down a Rabbit 4 or 5 times its size and kill it. Over the course of an hour the beast decapitates said rabbit, dragged away the head then came back and dragged the body away too. even squaring up to an Alsatian dog at one point too (dog scarpered)

I am not a hunter and genocidal maniac but these things don't belong in towns and cities !
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I am not a hunter and genocidal maniac but these things don't belong in towns and cities !
I grew up in a rural part of Germany with a lot of forests. Everyone knew about the danger of parking your car outside and some people installed high frequency sound system under their car which keeps them away. If you live in a place that has a track record of martens is it some 30 Euro well spent. Easy.

When I lived in Zurich Altstetten was the forest literally 20m from the last buildings. There is no way to keep them out of the town if you plant the town next to their forest... and it is really not that hard to get along.
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Re: Damned martens!

Last night we had the mother of all fights where several groups of Martens were slogging it out on the roof and balcony, the noise was incredible. I was tempted to go outside and start hosing them with water... but then I remembered those razor sharp teeth
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Last night we had the mother of all fights where several groups of Martens were slogging it out on the roof and balcony, the noise was incredible. I was tempted to go outside and start hosing them with water... but then I remembered those razor sharp teeth
Who won?

On the topic of balconies and marten teeth: Do you think they'd be able to chew through a wire-reinforced cat net?
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