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Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

We are getting a rescue kitten from a lovely couple who work for an animal shelter. Rosa (the kitten) was due to have her vaccinations a couple of weeks ago but couldn't because she developed an eye infection on the day of the jabs. She has had a course of treatment for her eye and will be assessed by the vet this week to see if she is well enough to have the jabs and come to live with us. I knew that I would be covering the vets bills for the jabs, and now I am paying for eye treatment too. I don't mind at all, this is all part of owning a pet, but I have absolutely no idea how much to expect this to cost and am breaking out in a sweat thinking about potentially astronomical vet bills. As it's not me dealing with the vet, I can't ask them and the lovely couple are being a bit vague when pressed. Any ideas on how much I can expect so I don't look too shocked would be great.
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

Tell them you need to know how much the vet bills are going to be so you can put the money aside.
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

I tried asking them that and they ummed and ahhed a bit before saying they would have to see how the treatment went. I might try and pop round again to visit the kitten and ask for an estimate...we are very excited about having a kitten though!
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

Sounds very shifty. do you REALLY want THAT kitten? are you SURE!!??
Make sure you see the bill before you end up paying that shifty couple anything "oh we paid 500" but have lost the bill..... anything's possible...
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If they're honest with you (ask for a copy of the bill for health records) it shouldn't be too bad, I wouldn't think more than 150 CHF at the serious high end. If you break it down logically (and my cat had an infection so I know approx. costs) 50-60 for the visit, 20 for the eye meds (maybe another 30 if they also gave an antibiotic jab) and depending on the vet another 50-60 for the follow up (my vet doesn't charge follow up visits but some might).

If its much more than that something isn't right.
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

Bazmeister, is this a private adoption, or from a shelter/rescue group?

Have you already signed the adoption papers, do you have a signed transfer of ownership form?

If not, it's a little odd that you are paying for treatment before you officially adopt the animal.

If you have agreed to pay for the kitten's medical treatment from 'x' day on, then you need to be in direct contact with the vet. Insist that you are given the contact for the vet, and ask him all the relevant questions. And you should be given a receipt for any treatments you have paid for to date.

Paws crossed that the kitty is soon hale and hearty - and here's to many happy times together.
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Old 21.08.2012, 18:18
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

The cat owners should not be expecting you to pay extra unless you have signed something. Perhaps Kitty is being looked after by an in house Vet intern or something from the home?

Have you seen the physical animal yet and met the couple in person?

There are some amazing cat/dog scams going on on various internet sites in Switzerland. Cute pictures of animals that strangely appear on the internet in other contexts. Adverts are often in English (with subtle mistakes), saying that little Cutsie with Swiss injections and animal passport is for free, but currently on holiday in Egypt or wherever. A few emails later you are the chosen lucky new parent, and you will be asked to pay for a pussycat flight using Western Union!

We got our cat for free, from a Swiss forum like this, drove over picked him up, gave a small something as a thank you, and had all the bits done ourselves.
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Sounds very shifty. do you REALLY want THAT kitten? are you SURE!!??
Make sure you see the bill before you end up paying that shifty couple anything "oh we paid 500" but have lost the bill..... anything's possible...
every kitty needs a home... this wasn't nice to say!!
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

I hadn't even considered it could be a scam! From what I understand, the couple work with an animal shelter nearby and they house some cats and kittens until homes are found. I've been to see Rosa a couple of times (I wanted my young daughters to meet her before she comes to live with us) so everything seemed above board. I will get in touch with the animal shelter that they work for and ask if they have invoices for the visits to the vet.

Thank you all so much for your help, hopefully it will work out in the end and we can provide a loving home for this kitten.
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

If you have seen the cat and the home/people, in Switzerland then I think it is less likely a scam.

If the kitten is not with its mother, then I can't help but think it is better off with you. Perhaps the cat people are just cautious about giving out a slightly ill cat, which could affect future adoptions if word got out.

Hope all goes to plan. Would be nice to see a picture of Rosie in due course.
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I hadn't even considered it could be a scam! From what I understand, the couple work with an animal shelter nearby and they house some cats and kittens until homes are found. I've been to see Rosa a couple of times (I wanted my young daughters to meet her before she comes to live with us) so everything seemed above board. I will get in touch with the animal shelter that they work for and ask if they have invoices for the visits to the vet.

Thank you all so much for your help, hopefully it will work out in the end and we can provide a loving home for this kitten.

So if I understand this correctly, you are adopting from these people privately, not from the shelter they work with?

Is the reason that you have not yet taken possession of the kitten her age? Is she too young to leave her mother?

If this is a private adoption, were it me... I would not pay anything until I had a signed transfer of ownership. This isn't the way that most rescues or foster situations work - hence the alarm bells tinkling.

The way it works with most rescues, whether the animal is in foster in a private home or in kennels: During the time an animal is in the rescue's care all costs related to the animal - healthcare, food, shelter, behavior work, etc. - are born by the rescue. Rescues ask for an adoption fee, paid at the time that you take possession of the animal. Even when one reserves an animal early in the process the rescue pays for the animal's care up until the time of ownership transfer.

(FYI, adoption fees rarely cover the cost of the animal's care - hence the need for outside fundraising. Often the rescue I volunteer with spends thousands on a dog's care - where the adoption fee is 3-500.)

Some - actually, many - very generous souls offer an additional donation, knowing how much went into their new pet's care - for which the rescue is very, very grateful. But that is a private decision.

Hopefully everything is legit - but that you are paying costs before adopting the animal is, to me given my experience, unusual.

Get everything in writing, most especially transfer of ownership - and speak directly to the vet. Have you seen the adoption contract yet?


Hope we are all just jaded and cynical and that all works out for you and your kitten - and that your kitten is home with you soon, ready to begin her new life.
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

It all worked out in the end- they only asked me to cover the cost of her vaccinations and so the bill was ~80 CHF. Rosa arrived on Friday night when the kids were in bed so she could explore in peace and has settled in really well. I had forgotten how energetic kittens are and she has several mad half-hours a day where she is up the curtains and leaping round chasing her tail. She has made a very welcome addition to our family!

Thank you all for your advice on the matter, I sounded like I knew what I was talking about! Now, does anyone know of a good vet near Turgi, AG?

Cheers,
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It all worked out in the end- they only asked me to cover the cost of her vaccinations and so the bill was ~80 CHF. Rosa arrived on Friday night when the kids were in bed so she could explore in peace and has settled in really well. I had forgotten how energetic kittens are and she has several mad half-hours a day where she is up the curtains and leaping round chasing her tail. She has made a very welcome addition to our family!

Thank you all for your advice on the matter, I sounded like I knew what I was talking about! Now, does anyone know of a good vet near Turgi, AG?

Cheers,
Baz
I'm glad it worked out!

If you find a good vet can you let me know? We also live in Turgi but have kept our vet in Zurich because we like him so much, but I would be interested in knowing/meeting one around here for emergencies.
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

Interesting thread. The idea of transfer of ownership papers never occurred to me. You only need that for purebred animals in the States.

There, transfer of ownership usually means they hand the kitten to you and you leave (that's how I always got my cats). Good to learn something new.
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Interesting thread. The idea of transfer of ownership papers never occurred to me. You only need that for purebred animals in the States.

There, transfer of ownership usually means they hand the kitten to you and you leave (that's how I always got my cats). Good to learn something new.
3Wishes, just an FYI - transfer of ownership is absolutely necessary when acquiring a dog in Switzerland, as under the federal law a dog is required to be microchipped and registered in the national database (also registered in most Gemeinden). If the dog is already chipped - as it would be by a rescue or a breeder as well as if adopting privately - the dog cannot be registered in ANIS without the transfer form - this is proof that you are indeed the new owner.

Cats are not required to be chipped or registered, but it is good practice to do so - and IMO vital if your cat is an outdoor cat. And again, a transfer of ownership document is a very good idea so that there is no doubt as to who is the legal owner of the animal. (Think of what would happen in the event of a dispute...) If the cat is already chipped, the previous owner needs to fill out the change of ownership form with ANIS.

Think about it - with out that form, anyone could change the database details and steal your pet...

When adopting from a rescue, most will require the new owner to sign an adoption contract, stipulating not only the transfer of guardianship/ownership, but also the adoption conditions. Note that I mention guardianship - many rescues retain ownership of the animal, but transfer guardianship (Halter) to the adopter.

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Bazmeister - I'm so glad to hear that it all worked out in the end, and that the kitty is home with you and your family. May you have many years of fun and companionship.

(A fluffy kitten pic wouldn't go amiss.... )
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

So glad everything worked out for you and Rosa.....lovely name

Nothing like the chaos of a kitten in the house...I have two....at night when we decide to go to bed...they decide its run around time hehe.

So Loki and Thor would like to welcome Rosa to many, many years of being spoilt and loved

In this picture they are lying on a grass skirt that we had bought back from Rarotonga...lots of fun for the kittens, and lots of cleaning up for me hehehe
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Re: Rescue Kitten Vet Bill

When we moved to CH, it was mandatory for our cat to be microchipped before to enter the country.
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Pics! We need pics!
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Looking very comfortable in my spot on the settee after attacking my feet, it's hard to be cross with a kitten
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