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Re: Thunder Shirt for Dogs

Would they work on cats too?
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Thundershirt does indeed make a cat version:

http://www.thundershirt.com/Product/...b-83f2fb67db81

I don't have any experience with cats, though - hopefully someone who does will come along...
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Re: Thunder Shirt for Dogs

This seems like witchcraft .. wrap up the dog and it's not scared anymore??

Ok my dog before was a gundog i suppose but he was a little scared as a youngster.. But I just took him out and reassured him and it was fine. My cats too, i remember their first fireworks night in the UK, two of them clinging on to me.. But after the first time they were fine.

Hands up I'm no expert and only know about my animals, not yours.. But is it not sort of rewarding them for being scared?

Here's my old springy - just for the sake of it
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Old 21.12.2014, 12:05
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This seems like witchcraft .. wrap up the dog and it's not scared anymore??



Ok my dog before was a gundog i suppose but he was a little scared as a youngster.. But I just took him out and reassured him and it was fine. My cats too, i remember their first fireworks night in the UK, two of them clinging on to me.. But after the first time they were fine.



Hands up I'm no expert and only know about my animals, not yours.. But is it not sort of rewarding them for being scared?



Here's my old springy - just for the sake of it

Not witchcraft and not a reward for being scared. Animals (dogs, cats, people) have similar responses to frightening stimuli and the weighting or wrapping helps. Read the links provided by meloncollie a few posts back.

I don't think helping to manage anxiety is ever a 'reward'.

But your dog is cute.
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This seems like witchcraft .. wrap up the dog and it's not scared anymore??

Ok my dog before was a gundog i suppose but he was a little scared as a youngster.. But I just took him out and reassured him and it was fine. My cats too, i remember their first fireworks night in the UK, two of them clinging on to me.. But after the first time they were fine.

Hands up I'm no expert and only know about my animals, not yours.. But is it not sort of rewarding them for being scared?

Here's my old springy - just for the sake of it
John, the notion of 'rewarding fear' has pretty much been discounted among respected behaviorists today. The old idea that one should ignore a terrified dog is no longer considered the correct response in all situations. At issue is that fear is an emotion, not a behavior. There are times when acknowledging and helping the animal to deal with fear is the better course. One can reinforce behavior - that is among the building blocks of canine behavioral science. But fear is a basic emotion, innate to the animal's being.

So how do we deal with fear?

We can seek to change a dog's perception of 'frightening things', we can teach a dog that trigger X is a good thing, eventually eliciting a happy emotion, rather than a frightening thing eliciting fear. We seek to change the response to the trigger,. hat is what therapies such as the Thundershirt, as well as rehabilitation techniques such as desensitization and counter conditioning seek to do.

A couple of short articles, written in layman's terms, discussing 'You can't reinforce fear', from Patricia McConnell.

http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/the...-thunderstorms

http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/the...der-phobia-iii

Do remember that this thread is for dogs who show extreme fear - fear to the level of shutting down, becoming ill, or self-harming. If you have never had such a damaged dog you might not undertsand the extent of this problem - count yourself lucky. But please do not dismiss those who live with this behavioral challenge day in and day out.

It's not as 'witchcraft', we are simply using all the tools in the behaviorist toolbox, developed by behavioral scientists we respect, that we feel are appropriate to the situation to help in the process of rehabilitating our dogs. In my case, I have an epileptic dog - fireworks, especially when exacerbated by fear, can trigger a seizure. Techniques that help her to remain calm improve our chances of not having to spend yet another Sylvester or 1 August at the emergency room.
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This seems like witchcraft .. wrap up the dog and it's not scared anymore??

Ok my dog before was a gundog i suppose but he was a little scared as a youngster.. But I just took him out and reassured him and it was fine. My cats too, i remember their first fireworks night in the UK, two of them clinging on to me.. But after the first time they were fine.

Hands up I'm no expert and only know about my animals, not yours.. But is it not sort of rewarding them for being scared?

Here's my old springy - just for the sake of it
We have three dogs and this does not make me an expert at all. But each dog is different. One has absolutely no problem with fireworks. The other two do.

So to sum it up I would say that every dog is unique. While taking your dog outside and reassuring him all was fine may have worked for you, in our case that would be impossible.

The good news is that unlike August 1, fireworks on New Year's Eve do not go on all day.
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Re: Thunder Shirt for Dogs

In a couple of days I'll get to see how the new puppy handles the fireworks

He's totally not getting the toilet training but that's a whole other conversation - maybe I could use the thundershirt as a diaper!!
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Not everything works for every critter but in a word-- YES!
At the vet practice kitties were made into cat burritos via GENTLY wrapping them firmly in a towel when they needed things like Subcutaneous (SQ) fluid administration or nail trims to help keep them calm and decrease their stress levels. Thundershirts use the same concept but are a bit better designed.

I wish I had employed their use with some of the cat boarders that we had as I am sure it would have made their stay a bit more enjoyable. Prozac can only do so much and can't be used with certain conditions....
A thundershirt was priceless when it came to dealing with wind/storms and my ole girl. I would also use it on her when we had to go out in public and she had to be near/deal with people. 70+ lbs of furry stress? Not so much fun for either of us. The Thundershirt greatly reduced her stress levels......
Rescue remedy also helped!
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Old 01.01.2015, 09:29
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Thunder Shirt for Dogs

Lily was very quiet by midnight with her thundershirt. Around 9pm, one of the neighbors set off loads of fireworks, Lily started to bark - my mistake, it had been so quiet before, I forgot.

So we put on her thundershirt, she calmed down with treats and going to another room, and within an hour she was fine. She slept through midnight.
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Re: Thunder Shirt for Dogs

Glad to hear that Lily made it through the night without much trouble. The Thundershirt really is a godsend for fearful dogs on nights like this.

Wasn't too bad here either. Thank doG for the snowstorm on Tuesday; I think the weather put the brakes on some of the usually exuberant neighborhood celebrations. There were plenty of booms but not in the immediate vincinity, and the snow muffled the worst of the noise.

The Belltie is fairly deaf now, he didn't notice much. Thank heavens for small mercies. Having one non-reactive dog in the pack is a huge help.

Hofnarr was on edge but OK in the house. He was too nervous to go outside to piddle from about 4pm on, so the worst of the night was a rather stressed bladder.

Hooligan, clad in her Thundershirt, remained fairly calm. Call it witchcraft, a placebo, whatever - but anything that helps keep her calm, and thus an epileptic seizure at bay, is worth trying in my book. The first of the firecrackers started mid afternoon, I could see the tension flare up in her face. But once I put the shirt on her 'calm face' returned. We are now three firecracker fright nights seizure-free - a huge win, and I do believe some credit goes to the Thundershirt.



All in all, not too bad. Thank doG.
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I'm so glad Hooligan was fairly calm!
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Re: Thunder Shirt for Dogs

I currently am a grass widower, since my OH and Laddie, her (life-vested) collie, could not fly in for the holidays for several reasons.

Last night, Dirty Harry, my Swiss Old English Sheepdog, dragged me down to the harbor, where we watched the fireworks all around the lake and on the mountains. There was quite a bit going on very close.

Harry wasn't interested very much. I opened a baby bottle of Champagne and called our base camp in Michigan. After about 15 minutes of constant noise and flashes all around Harry took a nice poop, lied down in the snow and fell asleep, with many fireworks still going on.

On the way back home, there were people launching rockets right in the middle of the street. Harry walked by as if that were a normal thing.

No Thundershirt. Apart from bitches in heat there's very little in his doggy world that can derail him. Maybe he should have become an assistant dog for a bomb-clearing squad.

No, he is not deaf.
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Good for Dirty Harry!
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I'm also lucky enough to have firework-ignoring dogs. We didn't go out last night, but the Idiot Labrador came out into the garden with me to watch the fireworks across the fields, while the Old Dog slept through the whole shebang. I definitely count my blessings, and spare a thought for those with frightened dogs and cats.
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Re: Thunder Shirt for Dogs

I'm thinking I need to find a Thundershirt for Lil Dude ( my 7 1/2 yr old human)! There were only a few loud bangs ( VERY distant) but he can hear a flea burp at night and was up in an instant and not happy about it.
So glad to hear that those of you with stressed furry friends handled the night with little to no issues. I am empathize with you.
Happy New Year!
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Miss Ebby - just like the previous years- did not bat an eyelash, whereas all our former dogs were scared to death every year, especially our last Dane Cazimir and our Doberman. Hope your pups have all recovered. Ebby sends regards.
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I'm thinking I need to find a Thundershirt for Lil Dude ( my 7 1/2 yr old human)! There were only a few loud bangs ( VERY distant) but he can hear a flea burp at night and was up in an instant and not happy about it.

So glad to hear that those of you with stressed furry friends handled the night with little to no issues. I am empathize with you.

Happy New Year!

Have you looked into weighted blankets? Same idea, but for human peeps.
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Re: Thunder Shirt for Dogs

Our two dogs were fine with their Thundershirts. It was very foggy here so not much to see but that did not stop the artillery barrage
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Re: Thunder Shirt for Dogs

Here is our New Year's Eve report:

Our dog has had a noise phobia for years (she is scared of thunderstorms, fireworks, gun sounds in movies,… you name it). We always leave Switzerland for August 1 in order to escape the fireworks, but we can’t escape from fireworks at the New Year’s Eve as it is loud everywhere, no matter to which country we go.
So we do everything possible to prepare as safety and calm as possible environment on 31st of December.

Each end of December when the fireworks start (where we live this normally happens around Christmas) even if the noise comes only now and then, she refuses to go for an evening walk, is afraid to go peeing in her own garden and does not eat nor drink in the evening, she also doesn’t want to cuddle.
Since 3 years now she wears a Thundershirt in the late December evenings and it helps her (i.e. she is clearly doing better than if being without Thundershirt which was a great achievement for us). But sadly on the 31st of December, when the loudest part of the night starts, she still gets really nervous, she starts breathing heavily, she wants to escape or climb somewhere and so on.
This year I again googled about best practices on how to relax a nervous dog and what to do to prevent panic attacks. Luckily, I came across these songs. (I am not an author or anyhow associated with the authors – I am just sharing my experience).
I must admit I didn’t believe it would help at all. But I had nothing to lose so I decided to play this music to her. It was December 29 and as soon as she heard the music, she was visible calmer and she started feeling sleepy. It was also the first time that she did not bother when there was a little firework noise coming from the outside (she just opened her eyes, but decided to continue with her sleep – I was positively shocked!). To my surprise, it was also the first time she actually ate her food in the evening although there was quite noisy outside. So we bought few iTunes songs and played it to her each evening (continuous loop) – also on New Year’s Eve. If it wasn’t my dog I wouldn’t believe how some relaxing classic music sounds can calm such a nervous dog. It is beyond my belief.

At the loudest part of the New Year’s Eve (when there was a real war outside), she felt uncomfortable for 2-3 minutes so there were few deep breaths, but then she rolled in to my husband arms and slept further.
I am so thankful I discovered these and even more happy that it helped my dog so much.

A word of warning: These songs are very relaxing for humans, too (I can attest to this). I have read some user experience where they have played the songs during a drive in a car to calm their dogs that were nervous during a road trip. This almost did not end well as the driver almost fell asleep.
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Re: Thunder Shirt for Dogs

That's very interesting, Ulaula!

I'd not heard of these before - but if (apologies to William Congreve) "Music has charms to soothe a savage breast beast " then why not? Goodness knows that I use music to calm myself down.

It's possibly only a co-incidence, but I have seen a pattern where certain musical notes, tones, or phrases - classical Chinese erhu, for instance - can provoke a seizure in Hooligan. It would make sense that there might also be the musical antidote, so to speak, music that calms.

I'm game to give this a try.

Thanks for the tip!
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