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Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

Okay EFers - Puddle the Poodle needs your help!

Puddle has IBD; he is extremely food-sensitive and cannot tolerate certain proteins at all. Currently he is fed on venison-based foods and is doing well.

Unfortunately his normal dry food, Lily's Kitchen Very Venison (called Zartes Reh in German), has been discontinued.

I've looked around but cannot find another dry food with Venison as the only protein source - TOTW, Orijen, etc all mix venison with other meats or fish.

He cannot tolerate beef, chicken, turkey, rabbit, bison, pork - and rich fish, like salmon, is iffy. Lamb and rice both make him violently ill. I once tried a duck-based food - it did not make him ill, but he didn't really like it either. So I'm trying to stick with what I know works for him.


So I'm asking y'all to help me find an alternative.

Here is my check list:

Venison as the only protein source. Named meat bits, i.e., muscle meat, lung, liver, etc., and no 'meat meal'

Preferably venison as the primary ingredient, as carb-heavy foods have caused problems in the past.

No grain. Potato or Sweet potato as the carb source.

Human grade ingredients.
Source of ingredients disclosed.
Ingredients from sustainable/ethical source.

All suggestions most gratefully received.




(Puddle won't starve in the interim - he gets Terra Canis Wild wet food, and the occasional ZiwiPeak air-dried as a treat. Worst case he can stay on that. But he does better with some dry as bulk to keep him regular, as with IBD it's all about finding the right balance.)
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Re: Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

What about horse meat? It did wonders for my puppy whose bowels were almost destroyed by a terrible worm infestation. And you find it in wet or dry food.
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Re: Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

in my local qualipet there were only a couple of single/mono meat dog foods, (i was looking for something that had no caged or generally warehoused chicken in it, most commercial dog food almost all does i think (i excluded those with chicken fat too) so we ended up looking at the mono (only one meat in it) ones and there are only a few.

i found one with ostrich meat, yes ostrich! its called africa, i can't remember the brand but they may know it if you ask, i mention it in case ostrich may also work for mr p.

the other mono meat brand has ' train' in the name (if i remember correctly) and had a number of other meats, maybe that might help? can't remember if they had venison and its not on qualipet website.

both i think had grain so not perfect but its the best i can think of.

have you tried yogurt to build up mr p's bowel flora? no proof it does this but my girls poos almost doubled in size when i gave them yogurt. a fun experiment for mr p
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Re: Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

Thanks, Melusine.

I may have to go that route, as there are several good horse-based foods out there. Kangaroo has also been suggested as another 'novel' protein he might be able to tolerate.

(The trouble with 'novel' proteins is that supply is can be iffy - which is apparently what happened with the Lily's Kitchen Venison.)

I'm hoping to avoid switching the protein source, though, as he is doing so well on venison. And sometimes switching itself can trigger an episode.

If I have to switch, though, I want to ensure that the food is likely to be around a while.
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Re: Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

Wolfsblut Blue Mountain with venison, no grain

Wolfsblut Grey Peak with goat, no grain with sweet potatoes

That is what Ebby gets and we always order by mail so it gets dlivered.
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Re: Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

The biggest obstacle is probably finding a CH distributor - search of Fetch (UK based company linked to Ocado) came up with this:Name:  image.jpg
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Size:  6.8 KB and another version with wild boar. They are grain-free dry foods. Lily's still does a Venison food, but only a tinned version with wild rabbit. Dogs are true gourmets these days. I saw some treats with venison and blueberries
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The biggest obstacle is probably finding a CH distributor - search of Fetch (UK based company linked to Ocado) came up with this:Attachment 84327 and another version with wild boar. They are grain-free dry foods. Lily's still does a Venison food, but only a tinned version with wild rabbit. Dogs are true gourmets these days. I saw some treats with venison and blueberries
www.futter24.ch
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Re: Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

Direct translation "Taste of the Wild" = "Wolfsblut"...marketing

The packaging looks uncannily similar so assuming that is same product.
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Re: Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

I just found that Wolfsblut has another one with venison called Dark Forest
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Re: Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

Thanks for the ideas, everyone!

Unfortunately it looks like TOTW and Wolfsblut (Blue Mountain, Dark Forest) both have some lamb in their venison versions. Lamb, of any kind - muscle or organ meat, lamb fat, lamb 'sauce' - brings on a full IBD attack.


I found this, which looks like it checks my list, but delivery to Switzerland will be a bit of a pain. I've not heard of the company before, so I need to do a bit of research. Do any of you know this food?
http://www.escapure.de/product_info....ter-1-5kg.html


Wolfsblut has both a horse and a kangaroo version that look OK... I'm hesitant to go through the protein source switching period if it can be avoided as it usually means some degree of 'unpleasantness'. But I may just have to bite the bullet and change protein sources.

Lordy, Puddle is a complicated little guy.


(My much-missed Haifisch also had IBD - but he could eat many more foods - fats/oils triggered his attacks. He was on Magnusson, a baked food, with no issues even though it was beef based and contained grains. The tricky thing with IBD is that it is so very individual - one needs to figure out by trial and error what an IBD dog can or cannot eat. )



Thanks again - and keep the suggestions coming!
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He cannot tolerate beef, chicken, turkey, rabbit, bison, pork - and rich fish, like salmon, is iffy. Lamb and rice both make him violently ill. I once tried a duck-based food - it did not make him ill, but he didn't really like it either. So I'm trying to stick with what I know works for him.
I have the feeling that Melloncollie's dog is eating better than me
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Re: Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

My brother had a Cocker Spaniel that the vet told him to only feed him potatoes. That is all the dog ever got to eat after that. I always thought it was strange but it worked.
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I found this, which looks like it checks my list, but delivery to Switzerland will be a bit of a pain. I've not heard of the company before, so I need to do a bit of research. Do any of you know this food?
http://www.escapure.de/product_info....ter-1-5kg.html

Sorry, I don't know the food. But why have it delivered to Switzerland? You can use one of the "paket shops" in Germany near the Swiss border and pick it up. They charge a nominal handling fee.

Are there are pet stores near the border which sell it?
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Sorry, I don't know the food. But why have it delivered to Switzerland? You can use one of the "paket shops" in Germany near the Swiss border and pick it up. They charge a nominal handling fee.

Are there are pet stores near the border which sell it?
Well shiver me timbers... you got me to thinking and googling further, and it looks like Escapure is now available at Meiko. Albeit rather more expensive than from the manufacturer in Germany (1.5kg is €10.97 vs. CHF 19.90...) I can at least buy a small box when I stop by Hünenberg tomorrow, to see if Mr Persnickety Puddle will eat it and if it agrees with him.)

In the year or so Puddle has been with me we have tried - and he has rejected, or been unable to tolerate - so many different foods. But thank doG for the HooverHound Shelties - they will eat anything (and everything). Not a crumb gone to waste. Although too many crumbs have gone to the Belltie's waistline...
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Re: Searching for a Venison-only dry dog food

Ebby says to tell Puddle and the Belltie to hang on - just recently she has learned what it feels like not getting enough proper food

Hope your search will be successful, I know what it is like to have a dog with a sensitive sromach. Ebby is very delicate in that respect, too, if you feed her something too fatty she will have diarrhea right away, and Cazimir was the same. Must be breed specific, all our previous dogs gobbled up everything and never had a problem. I think their stomachs were made of rubber
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Dogs are true gourmets these days.
Ain't that the truth!

My cousin Fernando (I may have mentioned him before - he was a party supplies salesman) had a dog which would only eat bubblegum. It also had an obsession with inhaling helium from the canisters which it found lying around my cousin's shop.

My cousin saved a fortune on Robidog bags...
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Ain't that the truth!

My cousin Fernando (I may have mentioned him before - he was a party supplies salesman) had a dog which would only eat bubblegum. It also had an obsession with inhaling helium from the canisters which it found lying around my cousin's shop.

My cousin saved a fortune on Robidog bags...
Just curious - ever witness any bubbles? Not sure I want to fathom from which end
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