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I suspect that Nil's dog is such a delight because she is a good owner.

Remember that both nature and nurture play their parts. Key with any pup is that the new owner devote the necessary time and energy to proper socialization and training. A well-bred dog is just the start, a well-prepared blank canvas - the critical work is then up to the owner.

A chi is dog - not a toy, not a fashion accessory. Here is where too many pups today are let down by owners who do not understand this. There is a whole lotta 'big dog' inside that tiny body - chis need to be given a happy, healthy canine-correct life.

As do all dogs.
I tend to agree with you almost entirely. But, as a non-specialist in dogs, I'm asking this: wouldn't be fair to conclude that this particular breed needs a lot more time invested in training or/and socialising? A firm(er) and very disciplined owner as they are so cute and one is instantly tempted to give in..and maybe even enjoy a lil' bit their misbehaviour?
Blame old Swiss people as we want, but they do give their honest opinion when needed. I have a lovely Swiss lady as a neighbour who advised me not to get one if we don't have the proper time needed for a dog, she said better do that when you're retired...and I don't suspect one moment she questioned my abilities, she was just being realistic and meant well.

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Old 21.01.2015, 13:45
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I tend to agree with you almost entirely. But, as a non-specialist in dogs, I'm asking this: wouldn't be fair to conclude that this particular breed needs a lot more time invested in training or/and socialising? A firm(er) and very disciplined owner as they are so cute and one is instantly tempted to give in..and maybe even enjoy a lil' bit their misbehaviour?
Yes, chihuahuas have breed-specific tendencies that may be more - or less - pronounced in any individual.

This is true of every single dog breed.

What a chihuahua need is an owner who has researched the breed characteristics and determined that those characteristics mesh well with his/her family life. But that is only the beginning. A chi also needs an owner who has the time, and energy, the skill and knowledge - or is willing to acquire that skill and knowledge, to put into training and socializing the individual in light of those breed characteristics to help the dog fit in well with not only the family but also society at large.

This is true of every single dog breed.

The way I approach training with my collies may be different from the way I approach training my shelties - which may again be different from the way I would approach training with a terrier, a lab, a husky, a greyhound, or saint. One must take breed characteristics into account because one should work with, not against, instinct. We start from different instincts - different blank canvases so to speak - but we all want the same outcome: a well socialized dog who can live happily and healthily in the human world.

Difficulties arise when owners fail to understand the basic character of the breed, when they choose a dog whose instincts and character are not a good fit with their lifestyle and abilities. Difficulties are compounded when they fail to assess the individual character. The approach to training needs to be tailored to both the breed and individual.

Added to that is the unfortunately too common problem of the owner who does not train a small dog. I am always amazed that so many people still - in this day and age - do not see the need to train a small dog to the same standard that one must train a large one. Here the media must take some blame for promoting the 'handbag dog' trend - but the fault still lies with uninformed and irresponsible owners.

I was aghast when canton ZH introduced it's increased training regulations for dogs over 45cm/15kg - not because I am against the extra classes, quite the opposite, I believe it necessary and I support the required classes wholeheartedly. No, I was aghast because by only requiring large dogs to take the extra classes the boffins of canton ZH validated the idea that a small dog does not need training. That sends a dangerous message.

Not properly training a small dog is how the reputation for yappy, stroppy little tyrants develops. Too many owners 'control' a small dog by picking them up when they get stroppy rather than put in the time training and socializing.

The goal is to train and socialize them against stroppy behavior in the first place.

This is true of every single dog breed.

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Old 21.01.2015, 15:03
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Too many owners 'control' a small dog by picking them up when they get stroppy rather than put in the time training and socializing.
Thank you for your post, Meloncollie. As far as I'm concerned the decision is final. (not what we need and what I actually really wished for)
This is what I've also seen many, many times...because of their size and cuteness, people do tend to treat them as they were eternal very small puppies and don't anticipate the adult dog life coming..

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There are plenty of reputable breeders in Eastern Europe too, with all due respect Angela. If Izabela wants me to do so, I can ask my friends to tell me where they got their Chi, it was from a family in the Czech R.
that's a bit much even for me. Sound like all dogs bought in Eastern Europe have to be sick. This is of course not true.
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that's a bit much even for me. Sound like all dogs bought in Eastern Europe have to be sick. This is of course not true.
I'm sure people mean well in their way, though.
That too, and as far as I know there is no problem if you bring a dog from EU (Poland for instance). At least my friends didn't have any.
I wish you find the dog that fits your needs. For me it's still a long way as we'll need a bigger apartment. We'll have to wait..
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Old 22.01.2015, 11:11
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that's a bit much even for me. Sound like all dogs bought in Eastern Europe have to be sick. This is of course not true.
That is not what I meant, unfortunately as you can imagine, you only hear of the sad and awful stories and not of the good experience.
My post was just a recommendation.
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I'm sure people mean well in their way, though.
That too, and as far as I know there is no problem if you bring a dog from EU (Poland for instance). At least my friends didn't have any.
I wish you find the dog that fits your needs. For me it's still a long way as we'll need a bigger apartment. We'll have to wait..
In case I would like to bring my dog from Poland how does the procedure look like? Any papers, vactination? Is it long process before you can have your dog traveling with you on the plane? Can I have chihuahua on my laps during the flight? I remember seeing people doing so but maybe it is my imagination or wishful thinking
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In case I would like to bring my dog from Poland how does the procedure look like? Any papers, vactination? Is it long process before you can have your dog traveling with you on the plane? Can I have chihuahua on my laps during the flight? I remember seeing people doing so but maybe it is my imagination or wishful thinking
Wen ad lily for over a year when we moved back here. I remember that we needed to prove when we got her. Something to do with taxes I am guessing? We had to have her vaccinated, microchipped and registered in order to get her an international passport.

She had to be in a carrier on the plane, at my feet under the front seat. You are not suppose to feed them anything few hours prior to the flight.
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In case I would like to bring my dog from Poland how does the procedure look like? Any papers, vactination? Is it long process before you can have your dog traveling with you on the plane? Can I have chihuahua on my laps during the flight? I remember seeing people doing so but maybe it is my imagination or wishful thinking
Isabella, there are many, many threads on the procedure for importing a dog into Switzerland - a bit of browsing will answer most of your questions. But to get you started, here is the info from the BLV:
http://www.blv.admin.ch/themen/04670...x.html?lang=en

(The online importation tool is currently not available as it is being revised in line with the new EU regs/passport)

Essentially, you will need to understand minimum import age and/or the special case of a puppy under three months.

You need to understand what vacs are needed, chipping, what the timing is, what documentation is needed for importation.

All this is on the BLV site. Follow their instructions carefully. If you have questions, go directly to the source, the BLV, for answers.

Be aware that the new EU passports are now in effect - if you get a puppy from abroad you must ensure that the new format is issued. The new passports have instituted measures against falsification, largely to combat illegal smuggling, and to be blunt - if you are bringing a breed often battery farmed and smuggled you might be subject to extra scrutiny. I have hear reports of smugglers already trying to counterfeit the new passports so before you go, see a vet here to understand what the new passport should look like - and them make sure the one you are given from your breeder abroad conforms.

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But before you go any further, I cannot stress this enough: Please take the SKN Theory course - again, many of the basic questions you are asking will be covered in the course.
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Yes, you can fly with a Chi - dogs are allowed in cabin on many airlines up to a max of 8kg, including travel crate. Many airlines impose a minimum age - make sure you research the requirements of each airline. (No your pup may not be on your lap - the dog must be in a crate the entire time.)

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Just a comment, though - I see on your other thread that you are looking for work. Do you have someone who will be at home with the puppy while you are working? Young pups need 24/7 care, as the dog matures you will be able to leave it for longer periods, but certainly not all day.

Finding good dog care is difficult (and expensive!) - so if you are going back to work you'll want to make finding dog care a priority - even before you find the dog. But as you are considering your options, please do think through the ramifications of having a puppy and being away from home. A puppy really must have someone at home with him all day. This is one of the socialization and training issues referred to in my earlier post.
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In case I would like to bring my dog from Poland how does the procedure look like? Any papers, vactination? Is it long process before you can have your dog traveling with you on the plane? Can I have chihuahua on my laps during the flight? I remember seeing people doing so but maybe it is my imagination or wishful thinking
I think airlines do not allow you to take your dog out of the transport box, it has to remain under the seat.
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Re: Buying Chihuahua in CH - question about place and prices

Hi.
We got our darling chi in a rescue, we weren't looking for a chi ( my husband didn't like them) bur as we walked into the rescue centers running area and all the dogs were running around there was a white chi bossing all the big dogs around and as my husband bent down this tiny dog jumped up on his lap and he fell in love with him. We had some trouble at first but 1 1/2 years down the road he is amazing, He loves people and he is so good with kids ( as long as they don't try and dress him up like a doll).
He cries to go out outside to do his business, chews bones like a Rottweiler and loves to play fetch... He now knows basic commands sit, lie down, bark, fetch, walk, stop and eat. Seeing how good and obedient he is now it makes me wonder why chis have got a bad reputation, okay he is an attention seeker and loves to be cuddled but when you say no he understands.
I think it's how you treat a dog, just cos chihuahuas are small they still need everything a big dog does.
I would definitely recommend a chihuahua for an apartment as long as you have the time and patience to train them...
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In case I would like to bring my dog from Poland how does the procedure look like? Any papers, vactination? Is it long process before you can have your dog traveling with you on the plane? Can I have chihuahua on my laps during the flight? I remember seeing people doing so but maybe it is my imagination or wishful thinking
I don't know about travelling by plane, my friends preferred to travel by car. But as far as I understood, the dog has his own passport (I don't remember if it is the same thing as vaccination/health book or they are two separate things, but they did use the word "passport" ) No-one asked them anything though.
Btw. Check out the site of Polish Sanitary-Veterinary Department or the similar, I checked it for my home country and there are tons of info. Apparently all the dogs who travel abroad must have a medical check up maximum 2-3 days before they go, the microchip is scanned as to match the one in the passport, they are checked if they have all the vaccines or deparasitations etc It might be the same all over EU.

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Re: Buying Chihuahua in CH - question about place and prices

MiniMia has a white chihuahua, and it's basically a cross between the Tazmanian Devil of Loony Tunes fame and a psychotic ball of fluff.

I was sitting in Mia's garden once and this tiny white 'thing' had managed to escape from the room where she'd been placed and kept hurling itself against the glass door from the living room, teeth bared and screaming with fury.... and apparently that's how she always behaves towards strangers; yet Mia had owned the mother of this particular dog previously and she couldn't have been more different!
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Re: Buying Chihuahua in CH - question about place and prices

An interesting website for anyone considering a Chihuahua:

http://www.chihuahuas.ch/index.php?index

The site discusses the problem with 'Hundehandel' here in Switzerland - they state that 70% of Chis are illegally imported or come from uncontrolled breeding.

The site also talks about the 'right way' to find a Chi in Switzerland, discusses Chi characteristics with an eye to helping potential buyers to determine if the breed really is apropriate for one's lifestyle. The site links Swiss breeders.


Anyway, worth reading if one is interested in adding a Chi to the family.
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Hi,

1) Before you even get the dog, Swiss law requires you to complete the SKN theory course.

2) Once you get your dog, you are required to register the dog with the Canton and have your liability insurance policy amended to account for any damage caused by the dog.

3) Within 1 year of getting your dog, Swiss law requires you complete a the SKN practical course.

The high cost of dogs from reputable sources in Switz has lead to a booming trade in dogs from non-professionals sources including, sadly, puppy mills. This tends to be more the case with lap dogs and dogs that, for whatever reason, are considered "trendy". But it can be the case with any breed.

Very often, these dogs are from the most appalling "businesses", where female dogs are forced to get pregnant repeatedly, until they no longer can. Both they and their offspring are kept and treated abysmally and result in dogs that are mistreated and damaged both mentally and physically.

Anyone advertising puppies on a classified adverts board, selling dogs from a car, or who is offering several breeds for sale, or selling dogs for a "bargain" price should not be trusted.

Just FYI, a dog from a good breeder in Switz will run you upwards of CHF 2500-3000. In Germany or Austria, it will start at about one-third less.

If you are not getting your dog from rescue centre, you should always check that the dog is coming from a professional and accredited breeder. How? Find the official kennel club in whatever country you're buying your dog, and check that the breeder really is registered. Also ask the breeder for documentation as well.

Any breeder worth their salt will not only want you to come and see where their dogs live and are born and how they're treated, they will want to meet you to ascertain that you will be a responsible owner.

This site here give great advice about buying a dog from proper, accredited sources in Switz, Germany and Austria (all breeds, not just chihuahuas):

http://www.chihuahuanet.ch/Welpenhandel.html

I need to add that rescue centres can be very good places to adopt a dog and in Switzerland at least, they tend to be pretty honest about a dog's temperament.

I hope this helps you somewhat on your search!
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