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pedigree costs - golden retriever

My girlfriend and I have decided that we would like to get a golden retriever and have been in contact with some RCS ( retriever club schweiz ) registered breeders.

We have only had a response from one breeder so far but the cost they are giving us for one puppy is CHF 2300. In the UK a puppy which is KC registered will be around GBP 900. Can anyone advise out of experience whether this is a reasonable price here in switzerland or are we being taken for a ride? I am also wondering if it would be worth buying in the UK and driving over here. Does anyone have experience with that?

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Old 05.02.2015, 08:59
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

Although at the top end, it doesn't seem as much of a rip off as you may think.
You have to bear in mind, it is an income for some breeders, with normally only 2 litters per year, they need to cover their (Swiss priced) costs and maybe show some profit.

Better from a (hopefully) reputable, registered breeder, than a cheaper puppy from dubious origins ...... which would cost in the long term.

I can only give an indication of what I've paid:

- 2001, CHF 1500 for English Cocker Spaniel puppy, from breeder, with papers;

- 2013, CHF 500 donation for 5yr. old Jack Russell from a rescue home.


There always used to be a free 'Tier' magazine on the front counter at Landi, which has loads of classifieds in - if it's still available, may be worth picking one up, JUST to get an indication of prices.
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

I think that's just the Swiss price. There's a lack of breeders.
My friend bought one from a breeder near stuggart who had supplied other retrievers to the family. They definately didn't shell out that figure.
PM me if you want the details.

We are after a cocker and will get one from the UK when we're ready, because the choice and supply is greater.

I doubt there's much difference in price between the UK and Swiss prices if you factor in two trips to the UK and the time spent.
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

Have you done your SKN theory course yet? Needed if you plan to buy from a Swiss breeder. You'll need to do the practical side within one year of getting your dog.

Have you even looked on the animal-sans-foyer website to see if there's any dogs which may suit?

http://www.tierdatenbank.ch/cms/fr/tiermeldesystem/heimatlos.html
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

Yes that is a normal Swiss price for an FCI/SKG breeder. Prices for a purebred SKG puppy seem to range from 1500-4000, breed and pedigree dependent.

When you buy from a breeder, do make sure that you understand how registration works in Switzerland. Only puppies that are born of a properly angekört pair - that is, both the sire and dam were judged fit for breeding by the SKG breed club - will receive an SKG pedigree. Not all pedigreed SKG dogs pass the Ankörung. (I understand this is not the case with kennel clubs in other countries - not my world, so perhaps someone who knows more about it than I will comment.)

And that's just the start - do make sure that you understand what health and temperament tests are required by the breed club, and make sure that you get copies of all the health tests done on the parents and the pup. Speak to the examining vet as well. Do your own research into the breeder, the ethics of the breeding program.

You can read what is expected here, from the Swiss Retriever Club:

http://retriever.ch

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If you are looking for a puppy you want to go to an ethical breeder, and the SKG breed club is where you should look first to find one. Yes, there might be a few breeders whose practices are perhaps not what I would hope for - hence the need to do your own research - but for the most part this is the best place to start.

Also be aware that some perfectly reputable and breeders with the highest ethical standards have chosen not to breed within an FCI club. There are legitimate reasons to do so. (For instance, a sheltie breeder I respect for her ethical stance left the SKG some years ago and now breeds on her own. Her standards go above and beyond what the breed club requires.) Again, do your own research.

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Because of high prices for an SKG dog, battery farmers and 'Hundehandler' are very active here in Switzerland. Be wary of any dog beind sold for significantly less than Swiss prices, as these are likely battery farmed, often illegally imported - and guaranteed to have been bred in abusive conditions. Eyes wide open.

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You might also consider looking at breeders from the VDH, the German FCI kennel club.

http://www.vdh.de/home/

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By the way, I recently adopted a young dog from a Tierheim. He is purebred, with an impressive pedigree (not that I care...) from a well-known SKG breeder. So yes - even 'well bred' dogs end up homeless in shelters, even in Switzerland.

Do keep an eye on the Tierdatenbank, as Medea suggests.



ETA:

If you decide to buy from a breeder in the UK (or anywhere outside Switzerland) do make sure you undestand the rules for importing a pup under three months old. It can be done, but there are specific conditions.

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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

Check here on the regs.

http://www.blv.admin.ch/themen/04670...x.html?lang=en
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

We paid about 1900 Euro in Germany for ours. I'll not repeat what was said above, but there's definitely truth in the axiom that you get what you pay for!
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We paid about 1900 Euro in Germany for ours. I'll not repeat what was said above, but there's definitely truth in the axiom that you get what you pay for!
Our dogs are all rescues, they all have papers, but I really have no clue what the breeder would have charged. There is only 1 breeder of Basset Hounds in Switzerland.

The sad truth is that there are too many homeless dogs, and yes, even dogs with papers can be in need of a new home. If money is an issue, I would explore that option.

Our vet tells us that purebreds can be less resilient to diseases, particularly those common to their breed.
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

Golden Retrievers are great dogs, we got our Bella in summer from a reputable breeder in Switzerland and paid around the same price. We were looking for a Golden Retriever puppy in Switzerland since 2011 and that was always the price range. I wish you all the best with your search, they are such lovely dogs!
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

CHF 2300 seems on the lower end of what to expect to pay. IIRC, when we were looking into possibly getting a dog (a labrador) about 3-4 years back, we were quoted CHF3000-3500 by a number of different, accredited breeders.

As previous posters suggest, both here and in other threads, do make sure the breeder is fully registered and accredited. Do this by examining both the breeder's paperwork, and also cross-checking it with the relevant organizations.
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

The prices being quoted here for a dog are ridiculous.
KC registered pedigree labs or retrievers from good homes are approx £700 in the UK.
Or are Swiss dogs somehow superior?
Looks like the usual Swiss taking the p1ss prices.

Far better to take a rescue dog at CHF500 and spend the change giving it a good life.
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The prices being quoted here for a dog are ridiculous.
KC registered pedigree labs or retrievers from good homes are approx £700 in the UK.
Or are Swiss dogs somehow superior?
Looks like the usual Swiss taking the p1ss prices.

Far better to take a rescue dog at CHF500 and spend the change giving it a good life.
And there we get yet another poster who expects things to cost what they cost in his/her home country without any understanding of economics...
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

@Medea: We have our SKN theory booked for next month and the same lady will also take us for the SKN practical upon purchasing the dog. As far as a the breed goes we are still open on whether to get it from a rescue or a breeder. Thank you for the advice and thanks for the regulation link.

@Meloncollie: Thank you for your advice yet again. I appreciate the amount of detail you have gone into here. The last thing I would want to do is buy a dog from a non-reputable breeder. I am also still open to getting a rescue, and we are looking at all options:

@Steffie: Bella is a lovely looking dog!
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And there we get yet another poster who expects things to cost what they cost in his/her home country without any understanding of economics...
Not at all. All things being equal I'd expect the Swiss price to be approx twice the price, so 2k ish.

But CHF3500 for the most common dog in Europe makes no sense.

My friend paid €1100 for a pedigree retriever.

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Not at all. All things being equal I'd expect the Swiss price to be approx twice the price, so 2k ish.

But CHF3500 for the most common dog in Europe makes no sense.

My friend paid €1100 for a pedigree retriever.
As suggested, it's down to economics - supply and demand.

If a breeder knows that prospective owners pay these prices, they're not going to lower them - especially as they want to cover their costs and make a bit on top.

If breeders are buying Hill's or equivalent, to feed their dogs, they need to recoup their expenditure.

It may not be logically justifiable, but that's how it is here.
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

It's obvious why the puppy farms exist if they can pull in CHF10,000 more or less from a litter of desirable pups.
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Re: pedigree costs - golden retriever

Part of what makes a reputable breeder is the extensive health and genetic testing done on the parent dogs to determine if each is fit to breed and then if the pair is a good match - this will significantly add to the cost of breeding. From the little I know of the SKG world, in the two breeds I see most often Swiss breed clubs do seem - at least on paper - to take these issues more seriously, with more oversight, than, say, what I have seen in the rescue fall-out from breeders in the US.

(Bearing in mind that this is not my world - I generally only come into contact with breeders via rescue work. But from that perspective, I respect many of the breeders I have met in Switzerland and Germany.)

Add in all the rest of what a good breeder does - necessary accomodation (you can guess how much a property with sufficient land costs in Switzerland), a solid socialization program, health testing and care of puppies, etc., - and you will of course see higher prices.

There is a lot more to rearing healthy puppies of sound temperament than just vaccinating. Look at the retriever.ch site to read up on the various genetic health issues of the breed. A good breeder plans a pairing with genetic health in mind - and the tests involved are expensive.

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It's obvious why the puppy farms exist if they can pull in CHF10,000 more or less from a litter of desirable pups.

The reputable breeders I know don't actually make much money from breeding - most cover their costs. Good breeders generally do it out of love for the dogs.

It's the battery farmers, who do none of the necessary health testing, who do no socialization, who toss any two dogs together with no thought for genetics, who breed a dog every season until it drops dead, whose dogs live in misery in small cages their entire lives, whose pups are often ill with parvo, with respiratory infections, with inherited conditions - these are the folks cashing in.

These folks need to be stopped. And the only way to stop them is to educate people to buy only from a reputable breeder. Stop supporting the barstewards who are ruining our dogs.

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Bottom line, though - the purchase price or adoption fee is but a drop in the bucket. Dog ownership is expensive - especially in Switzerland.
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