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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

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It seems the juries out on whether raw meat us good for dogs or not but the general co census at the moment seems to indicate that it's best not given.

http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/guide/raw...fits-and-risks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...ist-warns.html
I disagree but it's fine to agree to disagree on this subject.

Giving pets raw food
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/...rticle4401112/
http://kb.rspca.org.au/what-should-i...y-dog_263.html


As far as I'm concerned OP should still make sure s/he becomes able to handle meat (cooked and raw) because you never know what could happen to Lea and if her vet (who might or might not be specialized in canine nutrition) might change his or her mind.

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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

FFS. Sometimes I really do wonder...
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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

My sincere thanks to all.

Yes, it is my first dog. Had her since last Saturday, so a little over a week. Showed her to the vet, who prescribed some antibiotics for her sterilisation scar... could these be causing dicomfort and food aversion etc..?

I am NOT repeat NOT feeding her some fancy 'vegan' diet - just that i cant stand the sight / smell of meat products. I'm giving her dry dog food CONTAINING MEAT which neither looks nor smells 'meat'. Also the 'gnawing bones' found in pet sections of all stores.

I was aware that biting / nibbling is normal behaviour for a puppy her age, but sometimes it SEEMS to border on aggresive - must point out that my inexperience may be clouding my judgement. Wd appreciate any tips.

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What are you currently feeding your dog? Listing the ingredients and analysis might help.
]Dry Dog Food (croquets) WITH meat / birds / proteins etc etc. She's had 4 kgs in the past 9 days (+ other stuff, corn flakes, yogurt, some rice, some cheese n veggies)
How much are you feeding, and how often?
Tried about half a bowl every 3 hours but she did not eat well after the third day, so started leaving the food and water permanently
What was she eating in the Tierheim? Did they report any problems?
Bread, rice, veggies, perhaps a bit of meat. She was in a shelter in Spain
Second - what are her elimination habits? How often, how much, formed or loose, what color? (Your vet will need to know this.)
4-5 times a day, yellowish, well formed, eay to pick in the bag
What are her drinking habits?
drinks a lot of water. not much of a 'drinking type' methinks
Any vomiting? And if so, what - digested food, mostly undigested food, bile liquid? And when does vomiting occur in relation to meals and exercise?
No vomiting .. so far .. touch wood
Any signs of coprophagia (poo eating) hers or that of another dog or cat?
Yes, only others'. Her own she leaves alone.
Have you looked thoroughly at her mouth? Any signs of abrasions, swelling, tooth problems, etc?
Apparently normal
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My sincere thanks to all.

Yes, it is my first dog. Had her since last Saturday, so a little over a week. Showed her to the vet, who prescribed some antibiotics for her sterilisation scar... could these be causing dicomfort and food aversion etc..?

I am NOT repeat NOT feeding her some fancy 'vegan' diet - just that i cant stand the sight / smell of meat products. I'm giving her dry dog food CONTAINING MEAT which neither looks nor smells 'meat'. Also the 'gnawing bones' found in pet sections of all stores.

I was aware that biting / nibbling is normal behaviour for a puppy her age, but sometimes it SEEMS to border on aggresive - must point out that my inexperience may be clouding my judgement. Wd appreciate any tips.

@meloncollie

What are you currently feeding your dog? Listing the ingredients and analysis might help.
]Dry Dog Food (croquets) WITH meat / birds / proteins etc etc. She's had 4 kgs in the past 9 days (+ other stuff, corn flakes, yogurt, some rice, some cheese n veggies)
How much are you feeding, and how often?
Tried about half a bowl every 3 hours but she did not eat well after the third day, so started leaving the food and water permanently
What was she eating in the Tierheim? Did they report any problems?
Bread, rice, veggies, perhaps a bit of meat. She was in a shelter in Spain
Second - what are her elimination habits? How often, how much, formed or loose, what color? (Your vet will need to know this.)
4-5 times a day, yellowish, well formed, eay to pick in the bag
What are her drinking habits?
drinks a lot of water. not much of a 'drinking type' methinks
Any vomiting? And if so, what - digested food, mostly undigested food, bile liquid? And when does vomiting occur in relation to meals and exercise?
No vomiting .. so far .. touch wood
Any signs of coprophagia (poo eating) hers or that of another dog or cat?
Yes, only others'. Her own she leaves alone.
Have you looked thoroughly at her mouth? Any signs of abrasions, swelling, tooth problems, etc?
Apparently normal
What's the name of the kibble you're giving her?
Do you have the vet's contact info so that you could contact him/her tomorrow morning?
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As far as I'm concerned OP should still make sure s/he becomes able to handle meat (cooked and raw) because you never know what could happen to Lea .....
Well, back home (in India) there are plenty of AKC certified purebreed dogs who eat a totally vegetarian diet - no dry meat either - and they live a normal life, die of old age, and not 'obscure deseases'.

This whole omnivore / carnivore debate is a bit overdone, i think. Us humans THRIVE on meat / vegetarian / vegan, as do many animals - cats f.ex.

I am pretty confident that i'll be able to take good care of Lea, and nothing 'will happen to her', it's just that i'm completely new to this kind of thing, and need some advice. Also, there has to be a first time, and i don't have a dog loving GF either. One is welcome, though )
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Well, back home (in India) there are plenty of AKC certified purebreed dogs who eat a totally vegetarian diet - no dry meat either - and they live a normal life, die of old age, and not 'obscure deseases'.

This whole omnivore / carnivore debate is a bit overdone, i think. Us humans THRIVE on meat / vegetarian / vegan, as do many animals - cats f.ex.

I am pretty confident that i'll be able to take good care of Lea, and nothing 'will happen to her', it's just that i'm completely new to this kind of thing, and need some advice. Also, there has to be a first time, and i don't have a dog loving GF either. One is welcome, though )
So you're sure she'll never develop an allergy or fall ill in another way? Good luck then...

I'm sorry but cats for one don't thrive on vegan food as they are OBLIGATE CARNIVORES.
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What's the name of the kibble you're giving her?
Do you have the vet's contact info so that you could contact him/her tomorrow morning?
Kibble - ROMEO EXCELLENCE
Vet - yes and yes.

I really dont think there is any cause for worry / running to the vet. It's just that i'm not entirely sure - my first time as i said.
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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

Put her dried food down for her in the morning. If she doesn't eat it, leave it there, don't give her anything else, when she gets hungry she will eat it.

If she doesn't eat it and you give her something else "nicer" instead, she will soon learn that not eating her dog food means that she gets yummy human food.

If she doesn't eat at all after a day or so, take her to the vets.

Always leave water down for her.
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Kibble - ROMEO EXCELLENCE
Vet - yes and yes.

I really dont think there is any cause for worry / running to the vet. It's just that i'm not entirely sure - my first time as i said.
If she hasn't been eating kibble and just meat-free stuff in the past 3-4 days IMO that is indeed reason to at least call the vet. Quite a few seasoned dog owners in this thread recommend that - so where's the harm in at least calling the vet and giving him/her a heads-up on Lea's eating situation, so that s/he can recommend further procedure to you?
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So you're sure she'll never develop an allergy or fall ill in another way? Good luck then...

I'm sorry but cats for one don't thrive on vegan food as they are OBLIGATE CARNIVORES.
About the allergy... i'm as sure as the next person, but what i not is paranoid.
As for cats Oblig...whatever, it's a small WESTERN world. I am fortunate to have spent half my life in the 'other half', where dogs and cats are lucky to find meat once a month, they live on bread, a bit of milk, and Glucose Biscuits - yes thats right - sweet glucose biscuits.

So... dear glowjupiter, if you have any specific concrete suggestions / tips ... good. But stop scaring me - its not constructive
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I disagree but it's fine to agree to disagree on this subject.

Giving pets raw food
http://rawfed.com/myths/bacteria.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/...rticle4401112/
http://kb.rspca.org.au/what-should-i...y-dog_263.html


As far as I'm concerned OP should still make sure s/he becomes able to handle meat (cooked and raw) because you never know what could happen to Lea and if her vet (who might or might not be specialized in canine nutrition) might change his or her mind.
I have no opinions either way personally.

I do however disagree with your on the last point. There is no reason why the OP should be able to handle raw meat if he finds it unpleasant. The prepared dog food be it dry or not ( tins or sachets) should be fine for Lea. There are all sorts if different formulations available should she have an allergy or dietary problem so raw meat is not necessary.

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Put her dried food down for her in the morning. If she doesn't eat it, leave it there, don't give her anything else, when she gets hungry she will eat it.

If she doesn't eat it and you give her something else "nicer" instead, she will soon learn that not eating her dog food means that she gets yummy human food.

If she doesn't eat at all after a day or so, take her to the vets.

Always leave water down for her.
This is a good plan. If she has no other choice then she should eat her dried food. If she doesn't eat it and she has had no other food then that's when you need to take her to the vet. It sounds as though she was not used to eating just the normal dog food in the refuge but other food too so it may take her a few days to get used to it.

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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

Its not clear if you have taken the dog to vet or not yet?

Look, I've had dogs for over 20 years, and one rule is king, if a dog isn't eating its ill, dogs will eat anything, even fussy eaters will eat anything given no other choice.

To compare here to india frankly makes you look stupid they live on bread, a bit of milk, and Glucose Biscuits, sorry that's total BS you shouldn't give a dog cows milk ! and on that diet they wouldn't be lasting long at all.

Its a dog FFS it has dog dietary requirements, this includes meat.

Now take the poor hound to the vets, or give it back to the place you got it, and stop only accepting the answers you want to hear.
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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

SVA, perhaps the Romeo you are feeding your dog doesn't agree with her - often a dog who cannot (will not) not eat one food will happily eat another of different ingredients. There could be a problem with the taste of the food, or more seriously, with the dog's inability to tolerate the ingredients.

The question is: Is it that your dog does not want the Romeo - or that she cannot tolerate it? This must be answered first, as forcing a dog to eat something that makes her ill is obviously the wrong way to go. But on the other hand, if it is simple 'fussiness' that behavior needs to be addressed.

For the moment, I'm going to assume an intolerance to the food you are feeding and address that, but I will get to the issue of behavior later.

So my plan of action would be:

First, vet for a full check up, including a blood panel. Yes, I know that you don't want to rush off for 'nothing' - but the case of a previously healthy young dog suddenly refusing to eat usually does merit investigation.

One of the reasons I'd recommend a check up is that, should the reason for refusal to eat be related to the food intolerance, you'll need some information as to what sort of food to replace the Romeo with.

There are a myriad of foods out there - some high protein, some low, some high fat, some low, made from all sorts of protein sources, containing grains or grain free, with or without chemical additives, etc. Depending on what the blood test results come up with, you might need to focus your choice on something quite different from the type of food you are now feeding.

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Two things you mention worry me, and should be discussed with a vet:

Coprophagia is often a sign that a dog is not getting appropriate nutrition - the dog is eating poo to try to get what he is not getting in his food. And that she is eating other dog's poo is likely a sign that she is starving for protein - as hers is likely lacking meat.

Also, 4-5 stools a day is a lot given that she is not eating well. Large volume stools can be a sign of malabsorption - especially when combined with coprophagia.

Given that your dog is a shepherd mix, sheps are prone to digestive problems such as EPI, please discuss this with the vet. If nothing else than to rule something serious out.

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I googled Romeo, and although I couldn't find the manufacture's website (it's the ALdi brand, yes?) I did find a post on another discussion forum that listed the ingredients and analysis. Check your bag and see if this corresponds.

Assuming I have the right brand, there are two things in this food that I would question. For instance:

Zusammensetzung:
Getreide (Weizen, Mais, Gerste), Fleisch und tierische Nebenerzeugnisse(Geflügelmehl , Fleischmehl, Grieben (getrocknet), Hämoglobinmehl, Fleischhydrolysat) Öle und Fette (Geflügel), Pflanzliche Nebenerzeugnisse (Weizengrießkleie, Chicoreepulver) Fisch und Fischnebenerzeugnisse (Fischmehl), Hefen (Bierhefe, getrocknet), Gemüse (Erbsen). Mineralstoffe (Natriumchlorid, Kaliumchlorid)

(Die eingesetzten Eiweiße tierischen Ursprungs stammen ausschließlich von genusstauglichen, das heißt für die Schlachtung zum menschlichen Verzehr freigegebenen Tieren)

In a dog food label, the ingredients are listed in order - so that the first ingredient is Getreide means that the food is largely grain. Now there is quite a bit of research going on into whether or not a dog should eat grains due because the canine digestive tract does not process them well. Yes, the research is not conclusive, but the general recommendation is that if one chooses a food including grains the first ingredient should still be meat - grains should come farther down on the list.

The second concern is that the protein source is not named. 'Fleisch und tierische Nebenerzeugnisse' is a catch-all for left over bits and bobs - and does not specify the protein sources. Rather, I'd want to see the animal used - chicken, lamb, venison, duck, turkey, salmon, trout, etc specifically named - and I'd want to see meat rather than meat meal (Fleischmehl). Even better, named animal and named meat bits - for instance, Venison muscle meat, heart, lung, etc.

The problem with 'meal' is that one really doesn't know what it is - for example, in one of the recent food scandals it was found that the 'duck meal' in a supposedly premium food was actually pulverized feathers. Not a protein a dog can use.

The reason I stress this is that it might be something so simple as your dog not being able to tolerate the protein source. Some dogs have trouble with chicken-based foods, for instance. Because Romeo does not list the protein source (other than poultry meal and poultry fat, but as there are other 'Fleisch' included we cannot know) you can't know what it is that she does not want to eat. And because we don't know what the protein souce is, it is difficult to say what she might or might not object to. Hence the suggestion to change to something with named animal sources.

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For now, I would switch to another food. I'd likely try one of the premium 'sensitive' foods, perhaps fish based might be a good place to start - and I say this because based on the Romeo label it's unlikely that it contains fish - so something different. Or you might try a baked kibble (rather than extruded) as these contain less oils and so are generally easier on a sensitive stomach. But whatever protein you choose, make sure it is a named meat, named meat parts, not just meals and 'tierische Nebenerzeugnisse' Buy small sample packs if available.

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The suggestion that you put the bowl down for 10 minutes then take it away is a good one if you plan on feeding from a bowl. This is a classic exercise - but prolonged refusal means see the vet. Don't do this more than a few days without ruling out medical issues.

I don't bowl feed my healthy dogs, however. They earn each and every piece of kibble. I put their ration in my pocket each morning - and they are given a piece of kibble as rewards as we go about training throughout the day.
I do this to prevent over-feeding - but also because this reinforced the bond between the dogs and me.

(The oldie gets food in a bowl - and so when I feed him, the others get a few spoonsful of Terra Canis wet food, plus steamed veggies. All must have prizes. )

A couple of tricks to get a dog starting eating again (assuming you have eliminated intolerances and inappropriate foods)

Beaphar Multi Vitamin Paste:

I use this with my very ill dogs - it's a highly palatable paste that so far none have rejected. I put a little on my finger, let the dog lick it off. I(n critical cases, when the dog is starving, I put it directly on the inner side of the cheek or on the tongue and let the swallow reflex do it's thing.) Getting a bit of this paste in generally stimulates the appetite and starts the dog wanting to eat again. The paste can be found at Zooplus:

http://www.zooplus.de/shop/hunde/hun..._weitere/60495

You might also try putting a little hot water in with the kibble, let it sit a moment - this gives a 'gravy' that is more aromatic. Dogs generally like to eat 'smelly' foods.
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While a few lightly cooked veggies are good for a dog, an all vegetarian diet cannot supply the nutrition a dog needs. I must in the strongest of terms advise you not to try to feed a vegetarian diet. Dogs are carnivores - they must have meat. This is not open to discussion.

If you do not want to listen to us on this point, please, please go and see a veterinary nutritionist to develop an appropriate diet that you can live with. By feeding inappropriately, by restricting protein in a growing dog, you are setting your dog up for a lifetime of health problems, including skeletal problems. Just one example: your dog is a shepherd/lab mix, both breeds are prone to HD - and inappropriate nutrition while growing plays a critical role in the development of that awful condition.

I will be blunt - if a potential adopter told me that he was going to feed vegetarian that would be cause to refuse him - and if I found out in a post adoption check that the dog was being fed vegetarian I would start proceedings to reclaim the dog. Poor nutrition is a welfare issue.

I am sure your heart is in the right place - but dogs are not humans, their nutritional needs and digestive system are very different from ours. Barring one extremely rare digestive disorder, they must have a meat based diet.

But that meat-based diet can fully be met with a dry diet, one that will be easier for your to handle. So start by experimenting with other foods to find a dry food better suited to your dog's tastes and needs.

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Hooligan is at my feet running through her repetoire of tricks, a sure sign that it's time to do the morning training walk - her version of breakfast. So off we go. I'll be back later with some thoughts on feeding a fussy dog, assuming a behavioral problem rather than a medical concern or food intolerance is at the bottom of your dog's refusal to eat.

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Its not clear if you have taken the dog to vet or not yet?

Look, I've had dogs for over 20 years, and one rule is king, if a dog isn't eating its ill, dogs will eat anything, even fussy eaters will eat anything given no other choice.

To compare here to india frankly makes you look stupid they live on bread, a bit of milk, and Glucose Biscuits, sorry that's total BS you shouldn't give a dog cows milk ! and on that diet they wouldn't be lasting long at all.

Its a dog FFS it has dog dietary requirements, this includes meat.

Now take the poor hound to the vets, or give it back to the place you got it, and stop only accepting the answers you want to hear.
It seems like he hasn't /won't take her to the vet...
this thread makes me think of the EF population stuck on an island eating only cheese "because that's what the Swiss eat in Switzerland" (sorry for the generalization which I know all too well isn't true as I can do for weeks without cheese ) -

Meloncollie, you're way more patient than me - once again, awesome info from your side of EF. My hat's off to you.

I'm leaving this thread for the time being as it is pissing me off.
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It seems like he hasn't /won't take her to the vet...
I'm leaving this thread for the time being as it is pissing me off.
Thanks for leaving. You were not reading even your own quotes - I TOOK HER TO THE VET WHO PRESCRIBED ANTIBIOTICS FOR HER STERILISATION SCAR.

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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

glad you took her to the vets

just be aware that dogs cannot process lactose, so you shouldn't be giving them any dairy products (small amounts of milk for a special treat are ok)

personally I'd change her food, cheap crap from aldi is just that, cheap crap, some of the very popular canned brands are also crap so google is your friend, or get the vets to recommend something
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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

Ours can get a bit fussy over food. She'll have a bowl of dry food down all the time - and then once a day feeding - usually raw meat mixed with a grain (typically puffed rice). If her skin gets try that is topped up with a little oil.

The "raw" food is sometimes replaced by a processed sausage type thing and very occasionally high quality tinned food. This adds variety to het diet and prevents boredom. She knows when the raw meat is off - and won't touch it. By which point it smells nasty to us anyway!!!

As for the dry food - she'll eat all of it except 1 type (mixed bag) - the bowl isn't topped up until it is all gone - and she does eventually eat it up.

To supplement this she has treats: dog biscuits, bacon, sausage, fillet steak, smoked salmon, fleischkase (she loves that stuff), bread with honey and bones - large ones (lamb/pork/beef) she'll chew clean; small ones (chicken/duck) she'll eat the whole lot.
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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

@ meloncollie

Many thanks, friend.

A few bullet points - perhaps i have now begun to understand the problem...
  1. Vet done. Blood tests OK
  2. My post title is a bit misleading - she is eating - but not the ROMEO croquets
  3. the fact that she is eliminating well formed stools each time i take her out, shows there is 'input' - malapsorption needs to be looked into
  4. I can very clearly now see that she is is being 'fussy'. She will not eat what is put out in the bowl, but will wait till i change it for 'something better'.
  5. NOW THE IMPORTANT POINT
  6. In case i 'schedule' her food - i tried this in the frist 4-5 days - her biting / nibbling SEEMS to take on a slightly aggresive tone. is this possible, or only my imagination?
  7. The 'aggresive' biting seemed to me sign of hunger - so i BROKE the schedule and gave her more. She ate some, and left some in the bowl.

To my mind, the best solution would be for someone to suggest a few good kibble brands that I can buy from Migros / Coop / Aldi ? I can then give her those in 'rotation' so her nutritional as well as variety needs are met.

Also, what is an 'ideal' portion for a 7 month old dog? I may be overfeeding her, for all i know...

I have no problem with meat products in the kibble - the more the bettter.... My ONLY problem is raw meat.

Sincere thanks to all those who are taking out time to help me.

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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

dogs push the boundries, so she'll nip harder and harder if you're letting her get away with it, eg our dog plays a lot harder with me then she does with my son, let her know when shes gone too far, you can make a little screaming noise (not proper scream, just a yelp, yes, like a dog does), or just stop playing and turn your back. Lots of info on the net on how to deal with it, different things work for different dogs and everyone has an opinion about it, we've always found a spray with water is effective, the small house plant size spray bottles.
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Re: LEA wont eat her croquets :(

Maybe try a very well known and trusted dry food like Royal Canin. It's widely used and has established feeding guides (which confused me a little at first). Romeo premium sounds a bit, well rubbish? (Guessing here).


You've done the vet check, dog seems healthy, it's just being fussy. It's time to be the boss, both with the food and with the biting/aggression. The dog should clearly know it's rank. Maybe think about the whole training regime including food and discipline. How you do it all depends you and what methods you can try.
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