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I've searched the forum, and only saw one reference in one thread which was actually off topic, so I'm seeking friendly advice here.

?? fly young dog back to the US for 6 week summer holiday vs. long term boarding in CH ??

We are a family of 5 - 2 adults, 2 kids ages 7 & 9, and a 4 1/2 month old lab. We have been expats for 11 years, but we've only been in Switzerland for less than a year. After a long search we adopted our dog in January (all SKN theory/practical requirements either met or currently being fulfilled).

The travel to the US is important and necessary. While I'm concerned about the trauma of flight travel for our dog, I'm equally concerned with leaving him behind for such a long time. Then there is the regulatory hassle - import paperwork on both ends.

I'd be grateful to learn from anyone experience who has actually done either option - left dog for 6 weeks, or brought dog to US for 6 weeks.

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Re: travel advice

My vote would be to put him into kennels or find someone you can leave him with during that time. As well as all the paperwork hassle, there's the various vet sides to sort out and of course stress on the dog. Odile, iirc, does offer to look after pets. She's based in Neuchatel canton so might be a bit far for you, but might be worth PMing her anyway. And look at these threads too:

The Pet Boarding Thread - Recommendations and Advice. NO ADS IN HERE

The Pet Sitting Network - Pet Details / Questions / Comments

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You could also ask your refuge if they do boarding as well. The SPA in Fribourg does. He would then be with familiar people that he knows.

Another thing to consider is whether you adopted him outright or is he effectively "on loan" to you from the refuge you got him from. I ask this because I know that the SPA here in Fribourg you're lent the pet for its lifetime, but the refuge still has a say in all major life/death decisions. Whether a 6 week holiday abroad would qualify as needing the refuge's permission I don't know, but it's worth checking your contract with them.
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Re: travel advice

Do not take him to the US. Kennels or find someone to look after him.
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Re: travel advice

Assuming that the whole family absolutely must go...

Your trip will fall right at an important development stage for your pup. The ramifications need to be thought through with that in mind.

Transatlantic travel is indeed stressful for a dog, especially for a young dog still learning about life. If you decide to bring your dog along you will need to start travel crate acclimatization now and consistently put in effort every day.

You should restrict your flight to a direct flight, drive the rest of the way of necessary.

Also consider summer weather, some destinations restrict animal flights in the summer because of heat dangers.

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Alternatively, rather than a kennel, you should look for a sitter who will take your dog to live with his or her family, someone who can continue training. You will need to find someone whose training philosophy matches yours.

A kennel, where the dog is left unoccupied most of the day and left alone overnight, would be something I would caution against in the strongest of terms.

This is an expensive option, but avoiding a bad experience at this stage will be primary.


ETA:

Are you in Kilchberg ZH? If so, you should look into VI Dogs in Morgarten ZG:
http://www.vidogs.ch

Suzanne holds the FBA, so is fully legal and compliant, something that will be important. Several EFers use her services, so speak to them for further info.

Arrange for your dog to start spending time with whoever you choose now, so that the dog and carer can get to know one another, so that the dog feels comfortable by the time you leave.

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Re: travel advice

Medea, I can't look after dogs as I have 2 elderly dogs to look after. Cats and other animals yes- as I have a large totally separate area with wide windowsills overlooking fields.

To the OP, and I am aware that you might not like my answer- but with a young dog still undergoing basic training and bonding/trust- I would choose NOT to go away to the USA for 6 weeks this year, and have a holiday in nearby Europe or Switzerland where you can take the dog- or somewhere in Europe so dog can go into kennels for just 1 week to 10 days max. Or I would have waited to adopt a dog until return from US (I know, too late now).

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Re: travel advice

Definitely leave the dog here. Its a bit far from you but i recommend http://www.of-liberty.com

I left my dog there for a month once and he loved it. The dogs all play together and the are being very well taken care off
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Re: travel advice

thank you to everyone for the helpful advice. it's not an easy decision, and one that we are making with careful and measured consideration.

Meloncollie - Apart from separation/bonding issues, training is one that I'm concerned with. So thank you for the VIDog recommendation. They are on my list, but I'll bump them up to the top.

Gata - liberty might be too far, but looks lovely.

Odile - this isn't a leisure "holiday" and point already understood.

Medea - thank you for the thread links. when i said "adopted" i mean that in the human sense -- our pup is my third child in that i worry about his well being just as i worry about my human kids. -- he's fully ours and no ownership restrictions. but useful comment to others in similar situations, so thank you!
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Another thing to consider is whether you adopted him outright or is he effectively "on loan" to you from the refuge you got him from. I ask this because I know that the SPA here in Fribourg you're lent the pet for its lifetime, but the refuge still has a say in all major life/death decisions. Whether a 6 week holiday abroad would qualify as needing the refuge's permission I don't know, but it's worth checking your contract with them.
Medea, just want to clarify what this clause means and how it's usually put into practice.

(The Belltie came from SPA Fribourg, and the adoption contracts of all the other members of the Muttley Crew have similar clauses.)

As the Halter of an adopted animal, while the rescue retains legal ownership, they have delegated legal authority and responsibility to me for most issues that may arise. There are really only two situations specifically spelled out in the contract that require consultation with the rescue:

First, if one cannot continue to care for the animal one must return the animal to the rescue and may not pass the animal on to a third party without the rescue's consent.

Second, one may not euthanize the animal without first consulting the rescue. But in the event of an emergency where there is no other humane choice one is entrusted to make that decision, along with one's vet. The rescue includes the restriction on euthanasia clause to protect the animal from premature or unnecessary euthanasia, but would not question a loving owner's decision, nor require invasive bureaucracy at such a sensitive time.

For all else, the decision, and responsibility and liability, is mine.

Just wanted to clarify that, in case someone should be put off adopting for fear of an invasive clause. Really, it isn't at all.

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Re: travel advice

Thanks Meloncollie. I knew about the two ways it works that you mention, but wasn't sure how they might deal with other situations. I think in the UK for example if you were moving to Switzerland with an adoptee you might need the refuge's permission if they have a similar clause. Holiday might be okay though. And refuges can all have different rules. Wasn't sure if a long holiday such a long way from Switzerland might require a check with the refuge just in case. It's somewhat different to popping over into France for 6 weeks.
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Re: travel advice

Another vote for leaving the dog behind in CH. Although having a 3-months-old pup myself, for those long 6 weeks I would bend over backwards to arrange my closest family or myself to stay with him/her.

I have to board mine for 2 weeks. I will probably leave her in Effretikon (http://www.tierbetreuung-all-in-one.ch/). Dogs live in the house with the caretakers. PM me if you want more details.
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