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Doggy Practical course in German German?

Hello everyone!

We are considering to have a dog, a small one if possible. But the practical courses I happened to find are always in Swiss German. Do you know any course that is given in German German around Zürich area?

Thanks a lot in advance!
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Old 16.09.2015, 23:59
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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German?

Do you understand any SG even if you don't speak it? Are you OK with conversations where you speak in HG but others in SG?

A fairly common approach when one of the class members is not an SG speaker is that the trainer will start out in HG, covering the main points. If a point then goes off into a longer discussion you'll likely find that SG prevails. It's reasonable to expect other participants to speak in SG as it is the language most people are most comfortable with.

I wouldn't worry much about the HG/SG issue, simply tell the trainer that your SG isn't too good, ask if it is possible to stick to HG as much as is practical for the group. And ask the group as well. Most people are fairly flexible.

But do understand that reversion to SG is often not even conscious. When you start to feel lost simply say so - and ask for a repeat in HG.

This applies to most everyday encounters, not just the Hundeschule.

I would focus first on finding a trainer with whom you feel comfortable, then worry about the language issue.

Good luck!


FYI, if it would be helpful for you, there are some trainers who do the course in English, by the way. Do a bit of a search through the Pets Corner, a few EFers have taken the course in English.
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Old 17.09.2015, 04:17
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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German?

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We are considering to have a dog

But the practical courses
Denizzz,

Just to make sure all bases are covered...

You mention that you are considering a dog, which I take to mean that you don't have your dog yet, but then refer to the SKN Practical course.

Just to check, have you already done the SKN Theory course, or been given an exemption from the cantonal Veterinäramt?
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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German?

My teacher knows that I am learning German and explains to the rest of the group that she will speak Germam and not Swiss German for my benefit. It slips when she is talking to one of the other owners but when she comes to explain the point to all of us it is back to German. We also get handouts covering all the points we cover which I can then try to translate at my leisure. I still don't understand everything said but I get the idea and when confused the explanation is altered for my level of German. I think any good trainer will do that for you. Write to a few, go visit a lesson and see which fits. A great way to improve your language skills, and both Eicke and I are really tired after a lesson.
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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German?

The language in dog courses is often adapted to the participants in Switzerland, to avoid language issues.

For example, there might be separate classes for French Bulldogs, English Setters and German Shepherds.

For High German or Swiss German, they generally assess the dog by testing if he reacts on commands like "hör uuf".
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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German?

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... For High German or Swiss German, they generally assess the dog by testing if he reacts on commands like "hör uuf".
... slightly off-topic, but I just couldn't resist. Jump to 0:47

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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German?

Hi! Thanks for the reply. I haven't the dog yet. We want to know every detail before we have the dog because if for some reason we can't pass the course then we can't keep the dog. That would be disaster for me, my hubby and of course for the doggy.

Here I found out that there is online english course for the theory part. That's wonderful of course. I just wanted to ask in the forum if anyone knows about specially HG speaking teachers. Because I asked to the animal shelter where i live about the issue and the lady told there are even courses in Italian, so it must be that there are also in HG.
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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German?

Denizzz, I worry that you have a few things mixed up. So a recap:

Yes, if you are a first time owner in Switzerland you need to do the SKN Theory course.


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. I haven't the dog yet.
This is my first worry. You live in canton ZH, so the courses you need to take will depend on what type, size, and weight of dog you adopt.

For any List 1 dog, that is dog whose adult size is expected to be over 45 cm or adult weight over 15kg, an entirely different set of courses are required. The ZH cantonal List 1 required courses replace the federal SKN Practical course.

For any dog whose expected adult size is smaller than that the federal SKN Practical course is what is required.

So if your dog is likely to be a List 1 dog, you have the series of ZH Welpenförderung, Junghund, and Erwachsene courses to do, not the federal SKN Practical. .


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We want to know every detail before we have the dog because if for some reason we can't pass the course then we can't keep the dog. That would be disaster for me, my hubby and of course for the doggy.
This is largely wrong.

It frustrates me that this meme still seems to be stuck in the collective EF mind but there is no SKN test. Attendance and willing participation is all that is required.

You are required to attend and participate in the course. If you do that you get the certificate. Easy-peasy. Honestly.

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The only, and very rare, situation that might come up would be if during the course the behavior of the owner was so egregious that the trainer saw that the owner/dog combination presented a danger to the public. Trainers are mandatory reporters, and so the trainer would notifiy the cantonal Veterinäramt. Only the cantonal Veterinäramt has the legal authority to step in.

But even before it came to that a trainer will likely pull you aside, discuss concerns, and give you the opportunity to take steps to improve (usually additional classes) before going further.

The first measure taken by the cantonal Veterinäramt would likely be a mandate to attend additional classes, by the way.

The situation where your dog would be taken away would mean that you have committed an offense against the animal welfare or public safety laws - and usually there is an official investigation and process.

(Back when the ZH law banning the 8 List II breeds came into force owners of those dogs had to stand a Wesenstest. This is perhaps the source of the incorrect information about needing to pass a test. But it has never applied to the SKN courses. And of course it no longer applies as a List II dog may not move into canton ZH, the grandfathering phase for those resident at the time the law came into force is over.)

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So really - you are worrying about something that is not going to happen. If you take the course with a willing spirit you will be fine. The course is very, very easy.

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And really, as we have said before - you are making a barrier for yourself that really does't need to be there.

Yes, it is true that some Swiss hate speaking HG. Yes, there is a strong preference for SG in everyday life. SG is the mother tongue, for many HG is 'school language'. But because HG is 'school languague' almost everyone has some facility with it.

Many trainers will be willing to switch to HG for your benefit. As will many of the other course participants. Yes, they might revert to SG unconsciously as the discussion gets involved. But as above - simply ask for a repeat in HG anytime you feel lost.

You likely won't find someone advertising that the course is taught in HG because people don't really think in those terms. Simply look for a class in German, then ask the trainer if HG is OK. Most will say yes.

(Yes, a few people here refuse to speak HG on political principle... but honestly, that person is likely not running a business based on communication - as in a dog school.)

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If you really can't get over the HG/SG issue, as was suggested above look for a course in English. There are several threads with recommendations, just do a bit of searching.

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But first - as you are in ZH, please look into the List 1 training requirements, just in case you fall in love with a dog who falls into the List 1 category.


All the best...

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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German? (or english)

You can also take both courses in English here

http://hundetraining-grossenbacher-e.jimdo.com/
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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German?

http://www.fairtrain.ch/

I'm about to finish my training. Mumi speaks Swiss German, High German and, for me, English .
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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German?

Thought about this thread as Hooligan was putting me through my paces at the Hundeschule this morning...

Denizzz, make your life easier and take the mandatory classes in English. Get those done and dusted so that you are not feeling additional stress in the early days with your new furry friend.

THEN... sign up for a Familienhund type class in German.

As a new dog owner there is so much to learn, heck even experienced dog owners learn new things with each and every dog. The SKN courses really only skim the surface, they only touch lightly on the basics, there is only so much that can be done in a 4 session class. But so much more is needed.

I truly believe that the best thing a dog owner can do is attend additional classes regularly throughout at least the first year - and I strongly recommend continuing to do so throughout the dog's lifetime.

A dog owner in the German speaking part of Switzerland needs to understand SG, that's a reality of life here. The folks you interact with every day while out and about will likely speak SG, you need to know if someone is complimenting you on your lovely dog or threatening to complain. ( )

Note that I said 'understand SG' not necessarily speak it. I understand SG reasonably well, but stick to HG when speaking. Not a problem, a conversation where one person speaks SG and the other HG is common in Switzerland.

Just about all my understanding of SG comes from the Hundeschule. (As does a large chunk of my HG.) The Hundeschule is my opportunity to mix with SG speakers in an accepting and supportive environment. I highly recommend learning a language via a hobby, one gets far more 'real life' practice than one can ever get in a language class.

Not to mention you and your dog will greatly benefit from the socialization, the experience, the skills that you will pick up via continued 'Familienhund' type classes.


Again, all the best.


ETA:

Again, this assumes that the dog is not List 1 in canton Zürich. If so, then the ZH List 1 classes will keep you busy in the Hundeschule for quite some time.

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Re: Doggy Practical course in German German?

Thank you, Mellon Collie. I really didn't know that much. I know about the list, and there are different courses required for the type of the dog.

We want to adopt a small doggie. But of course, you never know what you'll experience at the shelter.

I want to educate my dog as much as possible. So attending at least one year is probably a good idea.

I understand SG unfortunately very less, HG is good, though not as good as English.

I guess asking the trainer when i'm lost is what is required.

Thank you again very very much!

I will look for courses around then.
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