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Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

Hi All!
I am considering taking a dog but I already have two cats and I don't know their reaction with dogs (as they have never seen one!).


Pet shelter don't give dogs for these kind of tests, so I don't know if I can ever have a dog.


I am looking for someone who has a dog (medium size) which is tested with Cats to be brought to my house and see my cat's reactions.




I live in Zurich


Let me know if anybody can help me!!!




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Re: Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

Superlu, testing your cats with 'a' dog is not really an effective assessment. You need to assess your cats with 'the' dog you are intending to adopt.

I've seen dogs who have lived happily with one cat want to kill another - and vice versa.

You will need to assess each cat individually with the dog, and as a group. The dynamics are different.

Yes, you can do what you propose to get a general idea how your cats will react to a canine invader, but please be aware that this is only a starting point, this does not guarantee that your cats will accept any particular dog.

Also be aware that integrating a new animal into another animal's territory takes time, the initial meeting might not tell the whole story. Much depends on how you manage the situation.

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By the way, many shelters do indeed 'cat test' the dogs in their care, usually with a 'stooge' cat living at the shelter or one that belongs to a shelter staff member. But again, that assessment really can only show that the dog can or cannot live with these particular cats, in this particular situation. Different cat, different environment and you could have a different result.

Very broadly speaking when I 'cat test' a shelter dog I use this assessment only as an exclusion. If the dog shows a high cat-prey drive with the shelter cat I mark the dossier as cannot live with cats. Yes, we know it's an individual thing, but we err on the side of caution.

But the opposite is not true - even when the dog shows acceptance of the shelter cats I simply mark the dossier as a possibility of being able to live with cats and then require prospective adopters to fully assess their cats with this dog.

Yes you can do this too, but be aware of the limits of such a test. No general assessment can guarantee individual compatability, I cannot stress this enough: you must test your cats with 'the' dog.

(Same goes for any compatability issue, whether that be other dogs, other pets, children.)

Once you have found a dog who piques your interest, then talk to the shelter staff about how to go about assessing this dog's behavior with your cats, and your cat's behavior with this dog.

If you are unsure, do you have a cat and dog savvy acquaintance who could go along with you as you meet the dogs you are interested in?

For instance, have you spoken about cat compatability assessment with the trainer with whom you did the SKN Theory course? This person mighty be a good resource to help you assess compatability.

(If you haven't done the SKN Theory course yet, put that on the top of your to-do list. No decent shelter will allow you to adopt a dog until this is done.)


Good luck with your search.

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Re: Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

I have just read that the preliminary training is really useful in also helping you evaluate what you really need to know when you adopt a dog. I thought it was something only required when you already know you will become a dog owner.
I think I will schedule this training asap.


Honestly, I haven't contacted any pet shelter at the moment as I am kind of scared. Whatever you ask, it can be used against you in the future. At the beginning, it is normal that a person who would like to take a dog is driven more about the passion than anything else. And maybe we (potential adopters) don't really know what it is like living with a Dog.
What I would like to do is speaking freely with someone who does this as a job that can help me understanding if I am the right person to become a dog owner. I have several things to consider (cats, landlord, my lifestyle, ...) and I don't want to take the decision lightly. I don't have all the elements to take all the decisions before I chose "the" dog, but again I am scared that if I go to a pet shelter to get some help, only because I haven't taken the decision yet I will automatically be not considered suit for adoption.
It happened to me in the past with Cats, even if I have two happy cats since years.


How is it possible to test the dog/cat before bringing the dog home?
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Re: Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

Here's a thread where people have written about their experiences when adopting from a shelter - you might find some of this info helpful:

Adopting a pet from a Rescue Centre

It's good that you are doing some soul searching now, one needs to have thought of, and answered, those questions before starting the search for your canine friend.

Have you thought about volunteering to do some 'Gassigehen', dog walking, at a shelter? This is a good way to test the waters, so to speak. Not all shelters have such a program, but several in ZH do.

Bear in mind that each rescue has it's own guidelines and policies, each approaches adoption, and prospective adopters, in it's own way.

I would recommend taking the SKN Theory course as soon as you can, this course is designed exactly for your situation - to help you decide whether you are right for dog ownership. The course is mandatory for all first time dog owners by the way. Do you speak German, or would you prefer to do the course in English?


As for your other questions - perhaps you could tell us a little more about your lifestyle, you housing situation, your work schedule and other commitments, what you want in a canine companion, what you think you could not handle in a dog. Then we could offer our ideas on your situation. Many of the posters here have adopted dogs, several are active in rescue - use us as your 'sounding board'.
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Here's a thread where people have written about their experiences when adopting from a shelter - you might find some of this info helpful:

Adopting a pet from a Rescue Centre

It's good that you are doing some soul searching now, one needs to have thought of, and answered, those questions before starting the search for your canine friend.

Have you thought about volunteering to do some 'Gassigehen', dog walking, at a shelter? This is a good way to test the waters, so to speak. Not all shelters have such a program, but several in ZH do.

Bear in mind that each rescue has it's own guidelines and policies, each approaches adoption, and prospective adopters, in it's own way.

I would recommend taking the SKN Theory course as soon as you can, this course is designed exactly for your situation - to help you decide whether you are right for dog ownership. The course is mandatory for all first time dog owners by the way. Do you speak German, or do you need to do the course in English?


As for your other questions - perhaps you could tell us a little more about your lifestyle, you housing situation, your work schedule and other commitments, what you want in a canine companion, what you think you could not handle in a dog. Then we could offer our ideas on your situation. Many of the posters here have adopted dogs, several are active in rescue - use us as your 'sounding board'.


I tried to find a pet shelter in Zh where I could volunteer but all the one I have contacted don't need dog walkers
In case you know of any where there is this possibility, please let me know. THis is something I really would like to do.


Regarding the training, I speak English (or Italian). Again if you have a place to suggest, please let me know.
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Re: Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

You might contact Tierheim Surber about Gassigehen/Hundspazieren:

http://www.tierheim-surber.ch/hunde-laufgruppe.html

I adopted my Heffalump from this shelter; the lady who runs it would be a good person to speak to. (German only as far as I know, but she certainly put up with my grammatically challenged efforts.) This is a rather different kind of shelter, by the way...

Another in the ZH area whose website says they need dog walking volunteers:
http://www.tierambulanz.org/tierwais...hen/index.html

Tierheim Pfötli used to need Gassigehen helpers, but I seen that this is no longer listed on their website. But do keep them in mind, they are an excellent group.
www.tierrettungsdienst.ch

A list of Tierheime in ZH, not necessarily all inclusive:
http://www.tierdatenbank.ch/cms/inde...d=tierheime_zh

Simply call each and ask if help is needed.

If you can travel, a very good Tierheim is Tierschutz Beider Basel:

www.tbb.ch

They usually encourage volunteer dog walkers. They have some excellent community programs, by they way.
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As for your other questions - perhaps you could tell us a little more about your lifestyle, you housing situation, your work schedule and other commitments, what you want in a canine companion, what you think you could not handle in a dog. Then we could offer our ideas on your situation. Many of the posters here have adopted dogs, several are active in rescue - use us as your 'sounding board'.


I am a 35 years old woman, single and live alone with my two cats in an apartment of about 75 sqm. I have a small balcony (with a net for the cats) and a sitzplatz in the back which cannot be considered as a garden as it is open. I usually let my cats ourside under supervision as they really love to have some fresh air and eat some grass. I have discussed with the agency that manage my building about the possibility of having a dog. They said that in general pets are not allowed, but that I could send the information about the dog so they could check with the landlord (this is a big question mark as I might find the perfect dog, which goes along well with my cats and then have a negative answer from the landlord).


I work in an office an average of 8 hours, plus 30 min commuting. I cannot go home for lunch but the positive thing is that I can bring my dog to the office (provided the dog is behaving well) and walk during lunch time to forest near the office (I already do it every day without the dog). In case I change job, the idea is to leave the dog at home and organize a dog walker for some days and for others bring the dog to a daycare center.
I consider myself an active person. I run 3/4 times a week (and would like to bring the dog with me), go swimming and do yoga. I don't have problems in going for long walks also in the weekend, but at the moment this is not something I am doing regularly.
I like traveling, and in general I do a big trip once a year for about 2 weeks. In that period the dog will have to go to a pension as I don't have anybody who could take care of him. For about other 2 weeks I go to visit my parents in the south of Italy and I could bring the dog with me. In general, except for the big trip, I would consider bringing the dog with me whenever is possible. Ah there might be business trips, generally once or twice per year for a 5 days or less. In that case, pension again.


The reason why I would like to have a dog is that I love animals and I miss having a dog (I had one when I was 11 but then I had to leave him with my parents when I went to university). So far I never had the chance to take one as my life was too complicated (or I thought so) and also I was not ready to take on all the responsibilities that come with having a dog. Somehow now my life is more stable and this is why I started to think about getting one. Regarding the responsibilities, I feel like I can handle them but maybe I am missing something and this is where the experience dog owner kick in


Thanks a lot for your all your precious suggestions
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Re: Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

Sounds like you have thought this out thoroughly - you are far ahead of many prospective dog owners, good on ya!

I need to run out, but I'll be back later with some ideas... or at least another of my long and winding posts.

In the meantime, calling all cat owners!

I can only address the question from the dog perspective. I hope that some of you who have both cats and dogs will add your comments, especially wrt to cat/dog integration.

Bis später...
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Here's the link for the trainer offering the SKN theory course in English. Note this is the only one in English approved by the Swiss Federal Veterinary Office and you'll get a certificate when you complete it to show to the shelter if you do decide to go ahead and get a dog.

http://sachkundenachweis-hundehalter...m_store=ohs_fr
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Here's the link for the trainer offering the SKN theory course in English. Note this is the only one in English approved by the Swiss Federal Veterinary Office and you'll get a certificate when you complete it to show to the shelter if you do decide to go ahead and get a dog.

http://sachkundenachweis-hundehalter...m_store=ohs_fr
i thought I had to physically go there and take classes while here it is all on line.
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Re: Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

The theory part can be done online, the practical part you and your dog have to do personally with a certified trainer. You have a year from getting your dog to do the practical part.

The point of doing the theory now is that, as Meloncollie said, reputable shelters will not let you have one of their charges without proof that you've done the theory part of the course and understand your responsibilities as a dog owner here in Switzerland.
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Re: Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

Back with some thoughts. Please take what I say simply as general comments based on my experience living with dogs and working with dogs in rescue. I do not have cat experience, though, so please keep that in mind. When it comes to 'cat stuff' I must defer to those who have actual experience.

When considering adding to the family the needs of the resident animals come first. Punkt. It’s important to keep this in mind, as it’s all too easy to lose your heart to a critter in need, turning a deaf ear to warning bells ringing in the back of your head, telling yourself that it will be all right in time. The worst thing one can do is to bring an animal into an inappropriate setting, even when intentions are good. So first and foremost, your cats get to decide on whether they will share their space with a dog, or not.


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I am a 35 years old woman, single and live alone with my two cats in an apartment of about 75 sqm. I have a small balcony (with a net for the cats) and a sitzplatz in the back which cannot be considered as a garden as it is open.
I have seen that a dedicated owner can make just about any housing situation work to meet the needs of his animals. However - and this is a big 'however' - one must truly understand the level of dedication required given one's housing, and honestly be willing to go that extra mile.

When dogs are dumped in a shelter because the owner can't cope with a dog in a flat, the root cause is not that the accommodation was inappropriate, but rather that the owner was not up to the task. The owner took on a responsibility and failed to live up to it.

We often say that a home with a private fenced in garden is the best option. Perhaps it is; it certainly is the 'easier' option. Having a private fenced in garden means that if there is an urgent need to go outside at 2 AM you can rush downstairs in your PJs and simply open the door. If you are sick or injured and cannot walk today then the dogs have the garden to play in, one day without walkies won’t hurt them. Yes, a garden makes dog ownership easier.

If you don't have a garden, that 2AM emergency means getting dressed, putting on the lead, and taking your dog out for a walk. It means calling in (and paying for) a dog walker if you are ill or injured.

But it can be done, many happy dogs and their owners can attest to that. There are so few single family homes with large gardens available here in Switzerland that it would be unrealistic to hold this up as a criteria for dog ownership here. Most people in Switzerland, dog owners included, must live in flats without gardens. BUT living in a flat or without a garden does mean that a dog owner needs to up his game significantly in order to give the dog what he needs. And it means that you have to understand this upfront, before getting the dog.


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I have discussed with the agency that manage my building about the possibility of having a dog. They said that in general pets are not allowed, but that I could send the information about the dog so they could check with the landlord (this is a big question mark as I might find the perfect dog, which goes along well with my cats and then have a negative answer from the landlord).
This is a problem.

A rescue will want to know that you have permission to keep the dog before you get very far along in the process. It would be a waste of everyone’s time, not to mention very unfair to the dog as he might miss out on a home with another family, if you begin before getting permission. You will need to sort this out first. Do not proceed unless you have permission to keep a dog in your flat.


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I work in an office an average of 8 hours, plus 30 min commuting. I cannot go home for lunch but the positive thing is that I can bring my dog to the office (provided the dog is behaving well) and walk during lunch time to forest near the office (I already do it every day without the dog). In case I change job, the idea is to leave the dog at home and organize a dog walker for some days and for others bring the dog to a daycare center.
Some dogs might be happy going to the office everyday, but many would not. You would have to find the right dog, obviously an older dog, one who is happy with a low level of activity. My dogs, even the ancient one, would go stir crazy having to sit below a desk for 8+ hours a day with little activity, interaction or play. But some more placid dogs might do fine.

This is where assessment is key. Much depends on the type of work you do, what your daily routine is.

Be aware that permission to bring a dog to the office can be rescinded at any time. All it takes is one objection from a co-worker or client, or your supervisor seeing that you are not devoting 100% of your time to the job. If you do take your dog to the office you need to have a back-up plan, ready to be put into action at any time.

I have seen this kind of arrangement go pear shaped too many times - again, often with the poor dog getting dumped because the owner has to scramble for an alternative and can’t find one last minute. To be honest, for many of the dogs I have assessed (mostly rough collies, mid energy level on the canine scale) I would recommend against a prospective adopter who proposed this. I would rather see a dog owner use a good doggy day care solution, where the dog gets to spend the day running, playing, doing all the things a dog should. I underline good day care, because unfortunately some of them are not.

FYI, When I meet with a prospective adopter who proposes regular day care because he/s he works full time I will want to know where the dog will go. It would be a good idea to have researched this, to have checked out a few possibilities, before you go further. Please bear in mind, though, that each rescue works to it’s own guidelines, not all work as I do. I’m only tossing this out there to get you thinking of the kinds of concerns a rescue might have.

You should budget for dog care from the start. Prices vary, do a bit of research for providers in your area. Also be aware that finding daycare can be difficult as demand often exceeds supply.

But I must say in the strongest of terms: Your situation is wholly inappropriate for a puppy. You should be looking for an older dog.


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I consider myself an active person. I run 3/4 times a week (and would like to bring the dog with me), go swimming and do yoga. I don’t have problems in going for long walks also in the weekend, but at the moment this is not something I am doing regularly.
You will be walking several times a day with your dog. As you don’t have a garden, figure on walks before work, walks after work, and obviously the dog care/office routine must include walks or a break midday. That said, how much exercise a dog needs really depends on the individual. This is something you should discuss with the rescue staff, so that you find a dog whose needs match yours.

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I like traveling, and in general I do a big trip once a year for about 2 weeks. In that period the dog will have to go to a pension as I don't have anybody who could take care of him. For about other 2 weeks I go to visit my parents in the south of Italy and I could bring the dog with me. In general, except for the big trip, I would consider bringing the dog with me whenever is possible. Ah there might be business trips, generally once or twice per year for a 5 days or less. In that case, pension again.
Again, start researching dog care now. And be aware that the good pensions get booked well in advance, especially during holidays.

The standard of care in dog pensions in Switzerland… well, let’s just say that it varies. You must do due diligence, and once you have your dog it would be a good idea to plan several test stays - first an afternoon, then an overnight, then two, etc. This is not only to get your dog used to staying in a pension, but it’s an opportunity for you to learn how well the pension cares for your dog.

FYI, some rescues also offer holiday care, especially for dogs they have adopted out. This might be an option, or at least a place to start.

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And since you mention that you travel to Italy… have you thought about adopting a dog in Italy? I bring this up because the situation there is dire - so many homeless dogs, and so few resources to help them. One rescue in Switzerland that ’specializes’ in helping dogs in Italy is SOS Strassenhund:
http://www.sos-strassenhunde.ch

Some of their dogs are in Switzerland in foster homes, but some are still waiting in Italy. Perhaps you could contact them, talk about your situation. If they thought you might be a good match with one of their dogs in Italy, perhaps you could meet the dog next time you visit your parents. (Always plan to travel to meet the dog and spend sufficient time with him when adopting from outside the country. There are several rescues based in Germany that work to help dogs in Italy as well.

If you go that route, be aware of import regulations. Several threads cover this.

(By the bye - never, ever adopt from someone who says he can ship the dog to you - this is the first sign of a dog dealer/Hunde Mafia!)

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As for the SKN Theory course; one possibility in English in canton ZH is Fair Train:
http://www.fairtrain.ch

EF member Heksita has IIRC done the Practical course with them - you might contact her for more information. I don’t have experience with them, but I like what I read on their website.

I did the Theory course (even though not required to do so) as an in-person course, and I found that approach was very helpful, even to an experienced owner like me. I found it so valuable to be able to ask questions, discuss issues, with each class participant bringing our own experiences to the table, helping each other, etc.

By the way, do be aware that canton ZH has another set of mandatory courses for any dog whose adult size or weight is expected to be 45cm/15kg. These are called the List 1 courses, they go beyond the rather superficial SKN. The federal SKN Practical course is rolled into them for dogs who fall into this category. There are a couple threads on the subject, do a bit of browsing.

Whatever you do with the mandatory courses, please consider continuing with a Hundeschule beyond what is required. I strongly recommend all owners, but most especially new owners, to take something akin to Familienhund for at least the first year, and preferably well beyond that.

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Anyway, a few thoughts.

As before, I am so happy to see that you are asking these questions, doing your soul-searching now. You are off to a good start as a dog owner . Paws crossed that your cats agree.

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Re: Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

Thanks a lot for all your thoughts and suggestions.

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Regarding the house without a garden, on this there is nothing I can do to change it. I remember my family dog (yorkshire) lived in our apartment and only had a garden during summer. This helped, as i am sure he enjoyed having those few months outside, but we still had to bring him out so I guess it can be considered "nice to have". In my mind, having the dog means go for two long walks (if possible three, 1h) per day and a short walk.
Regarding the fact that for any reason I might need help in taking care of the dog in case of emergencies, i am already well trained on that. I know cats are not like dogs, but I also need to take care of them when for whatever reason I cannot be there for them. I am not afraid to ask for help, to friends or professionals.

The Landlord issue, as said, is something i need to sort out immediately, as soon as i take the decision to go on with the adoption and of course before I start looking (and meeting) any possible dog.
There is no way in losing time if the possibility is only theoretical and in reality there won't be an approval.

Regarding bringing him to the office, i Already thought about what you wrote that he might be bored everyday in the office. So i thought about doing some mix of office/daycare/home with the cats & dog sitter so that he doesn't get bored. At least until i have the possibility to bring him with me, i will still do so (not full week).

I definitely don't want to go for a puppy. My idea (I have lots of ideas!!!) is to get at 4/5 yo dog from a pet shelter or rescue center. Ideally small size would be perfect but i know those are the worst apartment dogs ever. So, after reading a bit on line, i found out that Greyhounds could live well in apartment, provide you bring them out for long walk (in my case, could be my running buddy), and also don't bark too much (which could be an issue in the apartment). I also saw that there are few places which are dealing with rescues Greyhounds from Spain and England.
Whippet could also be a good option (but harder to find).

The all dog idea started as one of my friend from my hometown (south of Italy) told me that her dog's trainer has to find a new home for a labrador, in case i wanted to take her.
I would love too as i love labradors, but I prefer to adopt from somewhere near Zurich, to have the possibility to eventually still introduce the dog to my cats maybe before adopting it. I know that the situation in italy is terrible, worst in the south where people don't think well about animals.

In general, after sorting the Landlord issue, my biggest issue are my cats. I am really concerned about their well being and I don't want to do anything to stress them. THis is the reason why i want to introduce the dog before i finalize the adoption. I know this might sound crazy, but i don't want that, by helping a dog in need i create problem to "my family". I don't know if i explained myself well.

I Will look at the website you mentioned.
Regarding future training, I definitely want to bring the dog to training as I am not sure I am capable of training him well by myself.

I searched on line for pensions and daycare and there are not so many options, but I have seen in the forum that there are several places which don't have website and are only know through word of mouth. I will have to have all sorted out and organize before I go on with the process. So far I only hed a look to see if this was feasible (if they exist and they are not too expensive for me).

I do hope all the pieces of the puzzle will go in the right place and that i can have my dog without having to wait for retirement
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Re: Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

If you are interested in greyhounds (and other sighthounds) you might want to contact New Graceland, a respected rescue dedicated to sighthounds, especially ex-racing and ex-hunting dogs. The good folks at New Graceland do outstanding work.

http://www.newgraceland.org

They are in Waltenschwil AG, not too far from ZH.

Take a look at their SKN page:
http://www.newgraceland.org/de/sachkundenachweis-skn

If you are interested in a grey, doing your SKN Theory course with the trainer they mention would be a good idea, as you'd have an opportunity to discuss sighthound-related questions.

One thing you would want to research further, to discuss with sighthound experts:

Ex-racing sighthounds have been trained to chase prey - that's how they are motivated to race, the dogs take off after a mechanical 'rabbit'. This means that their already high natural prey drive has been sharpened.

It is critical that you understand what this prey drive means wrt to your cats, and to any small flurries you might encounter out and about, and that you be ready to put management strategies in place and use them consistently, and be ready to put in the time necessary to train this issue.

I have known greys who live with cats - their owners are very experienced, have spent considerable time in training, and even more time in management. I have also known greys who cannot live with cats or other small flurries and who must be muzzled on walks due to high prey drive.

Greys who have never raced or hunted might have less of a prey drive, but you should understand the role that instinct plays.

Here I would encourage you to contact the New Graceland folks and seek their advice. They are experts, they could advise you far better than I. They touch on the subject here, in their FAQ:
http://www.newgraceland.org/de/im-neuen-zuhause

Greys are lovely dogs, gentle and noble. I meet a lady with greys regularly on our walks (the dogs came from New Graceland, by the way) and I must say these beautiful creatures have absolutely stolen my heart.

But as with any adoption, it's important to make sure that the match between you and the dog, between what the dog needs and what you can provide, is right.

So start by contacting the New Graceland folks for advice on your situation.

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By the way, should anyone at the other end of the country be intereted in sighthounds, a sighthound rescue in the Romandie is Coeur de Galgo:
http://coeur-de-galgo.ch/en/
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Re: Help Needed to test my cats with dogs

There shouldn't be any issues with a bored dog in the office if you give him plenty of exercise (physical and mental; 20 mins of sniffing games can be like 1 h of walking). A tired dog is a happy owner.
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First step done: i signed up for SKN training in January!
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So you need a Lab to do a cat scan?
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I sent the request to have a dog to my landlord today.
He is on holiday and will only reply in two weeks


In the meantime, all fingers and tails crossed
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game over
The landlord doesn't allow the dog in the apartment
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